Monday, January 11, 2010

Blog Discussion - The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love


You asked for it, you got it. This is the blog discussion post for the new season of The Bachelor. Now, I don't watch the show, so I'll be really quiet here. But you all can feel free to hang out and discuss the show in the comments. I only ask that no one post spoilers. If you want to leave a link for something spoiler-ish, that's okay. But not everyone likes to know spoilers, so please be considerate.

The Bachelor airs on Monday nights at 8 PM on ABC. The official website can be found right here.

Have fun!

196 comments:

Delee said...

Tight yellow dress a diamond necklace and a motorcycle...he a polo shirt and jeans for "a date". Dumb!!!

RJM in SC said...

someting about the girl talking now about being married, just does not look his type to me either and the girl who packed her bags is just whacko IMO

Delee said...

Yes Michelle is strange wondered why he kept her last week.

I missed the girl saying she had been married so her name escapes me.

meb said...

I was not surprised he kept Michelle, even when Jillian and Ed told him they would send her home. I think he sees a little of himself in her...emotions, emotions, emotions. And from the previews, it appears she's still there at least a few episodes.

I liked the blonde who lost her voice. She was cute and bubbly.

I also liked the one he gave the first impression rose to. Can't remember her name, but she was pretty I thought.

His leaving the 'interview' in a huff seemed a little much.

We shall see.

NC in GA said...

Michelle appears to be a little too "intense". It seems each season there is always one in the group. I thought the formal dress/casual jeans date was a little odd. It didn't seem like they were going on the same date!

meb said...

Wow... even tho we had heard some inkling of what had happened in tonight's episode, it was still a little excitement going on. And now next week it appears he's sending someone else home before the rose ceremony. This season has some real twists in it.

I really like Tenly and Eli (bubbly blond, is that her name). They are my favorites. Michelle is really weird. It's like she doesn't realize she's on a show and it's going to be Jake's decision who stays.

I thought I might not like this year, but I'm hooked.

ML said...

Thanks for the place to comment Jackie!

Assorted comments:
I notice many of theses girls like to wear dresses, even to Six Flags.

I like Elizabeth but she is getting on my nerves a bit. She tells Jake not to kiss her unless she's the only one. Fine, but unrealistic in this situation. But then worse is that all she does is taunt Jake about wanting to kiss him and him wanting to kiss her. And news flash Elizabeth-going on the bachelor in the first place sort of trumps playing hard to get at all. It was a totally wasted fireworks moment for Jake and I think he realized that. Maybe she's the one he says may as well just leave now to next week.

I guessed Rozlyn was the booted bachelorette last week the minute they mentioned scandal. Unless her comments were taken totally out of context, which is possible, she always seemed to be trying to beat out or be superior to the other women rather than concentrating on Jake. And she said surprisingly little when confronted by Chris. I don't quite know what to make of that.

I'm glad he got his rose back and that gave Kathryn another chance, although she obviously realizes she was a goner and brought back only by someone elses indiscretions. I hope she can get his attention long enough to make an impression.

There seems to be a lot of divorced and/or single moms this time.

Overall, except for Michelle, they all seem ok at this point. Let's see what drama unfolds next week...
ML

ORKMommy said...

Michelle is a total psycho stalker!

Found this link 'Bachelor' Jake Pavelka: 'I was so hurt'. There's some other links there to interesting information about Rozlyn. They're all a little bit nuts if you ask me!

meb said...

Hey Orkmommy... good hearing from you. Thanks for the link. It was interesting to read that she has more than one arrest record. Hmmm. Wonder what they were for.

I agree they are all nuts, but it was enough to get me to keep watching it. Especially since it appears next week he's getting rid of another girl in mid-show.

joyn... how Barry doing... and how are you doing? Keep us posted.

Donna in AL said...

Just stopped by to say "Hey Ya'll".

I do not watch The Bachelor but it is good to see you ORKMommy!

joy n said...

Meb, Barry has his first doctor appt. tomorrow. He had a light nosebleed tonight and he's on a blood thinner but it stopped. He's getting a little restless already. Me, I'm swamped with paperwork, but we're hanging in there.

Sydney said...

Joy-- good to hear an update! And I confess, I'm glad you all are watching the Bachelor this season. I am hot for Jake, as stiff and affected as he seems 50% of the time. I would have gone for him if I'd been Jillian...

Jillian still always looks drunk to me, but I know that's just how her facial features come together, lol. I am NOT being catty. Does anyone else see that? *crickets*

Anyway, I really saw the insnta-chemistry of Rozalyn and Jake when they were in their suits. He REALLY wanted to kiss her and she REALLY laid them on him, and it's really stoopid of her to have bonked some camera/craftservice/grip guy.

My husband thought it was staged for drama, and I thought Chris Harrison actually looked very grim and nervous (having been coached by a team of lawyers to make sure to use words like "inapproproate" and "out of respect for XXX"). Did you see when he got a catch in his throat when he was talking first to her, the part where he said the staffer was let go?

MICHELLE -- psycho!

I like the blonde who lost her voice-- Jake made the move to kiss her. She's natural and normal, funa nd unaffected... And who was the girl who cried for Jake when he was hoodwinked, remembering that she felt the same way... is that the one who was a virgin who married a virgin who cheated on her? Do we think he would go for her?

I thought he really liked the brunette but that whole kissing thing on her forehead was AKWARD to say the least!

Sydney said...

Dirt on Roz -- article connected to Orkmommy's link.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/01/exclusive-bachelor-scandal-girl-has-arrest-record

joy n said...

People says that Bachelor Bob Guiney and his wife of five years, 'All My Children' star Rebecca Budig, have split. She says, "It's over and it's been over for a while now." That was sad to hear.

PDX Granny said...

Joyn, thanks for the update on Barry. Keep us posted.

I hadn't heard that about Bob Guiney and Rebecca Budig. Too bad. Maybe that's why she's back on AMC.

As far as The Bachelor, since that is the topic of this thread, I'm like most others and leaning towards Tenley and Ellie.

Michelle definitely has two sides to her personality ~ at least based on editing. The one she shows Jake is sure not the one we're seeing.

When I first started hearing about the scandal, I had a feeling it was Roz. I'm not sure why. Maybe the editing lead me to think that without me even realizing it. I feel bad about it ~ kinda. : )

It made for some interesting drama, which makes for some good TV. I just feel bad for Jake. It seemed he really liked her.

mammaroos said...

Hey you all I was glad to see posting on the bachelor :) I just poppped in to see if Jackie had posted about the vilans/heros of the next Survivor (which the names areup at CBS.com) anyway I like Tenley too PDXgranny you know she is from Newberg Oregon that like 10 minutes up the road from me. I also like the blonde bubbly one who lost her voice but can't remember her name cant wait for tomorrow nights show :)

monty924 said...

I thought Ali was adorable on the first episode and again on last week's show with her 1:1 date with Jake.

After watching some of the extended previews for next weeks show, I think the adorable Ali is about to be turned into a b*tch.

mammaroos said...

Who do you think leaves tomorrow night?? I couldnt tell.. these girls are really going at it this season.

Nana from the NW said...

I always have a few favs. from first impressions but anxious to see the next few weeks. I like Ali and Tenley(although I don't think she is over her divorce and the hurt of being cheated on). Michelle is definitely obsessed with Jake and finding her soulmate and Vienna is running a close second. I think she might be one that Jake tells to leave before the rose ceremony. Elizabeth is very controlling and her little "non-kissing" game may come back to bit her in the butt. I agree there seems to be alot of divorcees on the show and women with children. Rosalyn was there for the TV time(which she got) and if she really did nothing wrong then there would be a lawsuit!

I also agree about the 1 on1 date. Why would you give that necklace to someone for a date on a motorcycle and in a park?? Totally odd but you know the producers of the show put all these dates together and Jake is told what to do.

ML--you are right lots of dresses and boobs falling out!! LOL I'm glad I'm in my fifties and more into comfort than style.....sundresses and Uggs!?

See you all on Monday.

monty924 said...

mammaroos said...
Who do you think leaves tomorrow night?? I couldnt tell.. these girls are really going at it this season.
**************

Michelle scares me. I think she's the one Jake says 'we don't have to wait for the rose ceremony' or something like that.

I watched the first episode again on ABC, with the commentary by Jillian and Ed. Ed made a comment about Michelle that cracked me up. Something along the line of shes a sweet girl, but please don't kill me.

Michelle is getting the cccrrraaazzzzy edit this season.

mammaroos said...

Any one here tonight??? Who is going home?? Who did Jake ask to leave

Nana from the NW said...

mammaroos--I stopped by earlier but nobody was here! This has been quite a season so far, I am glad I decided to watch it. After the last few seasons I was so dissappointed I swore I wouldn't watch the show anymore!

Two weeks and both weeks girls have gone home before the rose ceremony!! This is what's fun about the show.


As for the girls.....(I'm typing while watching the show)
Elizabeth is being controlling and unrealistic. Jake needs to see if there is chemistry....no kiss is going to mean no rose soon.
Ali has become the spokeswoman for the group. I really liked her last week but didn't think she needed to be confrontational with Vienna. Jake seems to have some natural comfort and chemistry with Ali.
Vienna--the show has done a great editting job. We haven't seen any of the bitcheness the girls are talking about.
Ella was very sweet but I'm not sure Jake is ready to be a father to a 7 yr. old.
I liked Corrie and would like to see more of her.
Not sure I can remember any of the other girls.........

So what did you all think?

ML said...

Nana and Mammaroos- I can't comment while I watch, but later like now, and I check back throughout the week.

You could tell Jake had lost any feeling he had for Elizabeth when they talked before the rose ceremony. She tried to turn it on him when she talked to the other girls and to Jake, as if it were because he couldn't kiss her, when it was really about her attitude and game playing. Maybe when she watches it back now she can see that she was playing games and taunting Jake.

Ali and Jake do have chemistry, but all these women seem to forget what show they are on. I like her but where does she get off being so judgemental about Vienna? What she said to her about it being her that Jake had the 1 on 1 date with was just mean spirited. Ali's fine when it's all about her but she knows Vienna is competition. Perhaps she should keep some of her thoughts to herself; you can certainly see the rest of them bite their lips and just say nothing. Sometimes that is best. The others are always stealing the bachelor away from someone for a little alone time, even if they already have a rose, why does that make Vienna such a villain? Maybe Ali isn't just the sweetest little thing afterall.

I must have missed any interaction Jake had with Valishia, but he said something to her about her children when she was leaving so they must have talked about it at some point. Did anyone see what happened there?

Hopefully we get to see some of the others with him next week like Kathryn and Corrie. It looks like Gia gets her chance. Is she anything more than just a plastic beauty? She seems nice but sort of like an Angelina Jolie wanna be. Anbody else see that? Her hair is always so perfectly placed and her mouth/lips are as augmented as her chest. And he keeps giving Jessie a rose? Has he ever even talked to her?

The best part of today's show was buh bye to Michelle. She must have invented a relationship with Jake in her mind. I am pretty sure she will not be the next bachelorette. Elizabeth either. Could you imagine that? A non-kissing The Bachelorette? What's next, no hot tub?
ML

Anonymous said...

when I was watching the prevues for
this week show I thought I heard someone say she was pregnant, but
there was nothing on the show.
Did anyone else hear it?

Estelle

Nana from the NW said...

I heard a promo for ET that tonight they had a story about a possible pregnancy on the Bachelor.

I thought the same thing about Jesse....who is she??

Gia has rubbed me the wrong way since she stepped out of the limo. She is the stereo-type swimsuit model...fake everything. I think she will do anything to get Jake. Previews seem to indicate she really throws herself at him....yuck.

Next week's previews show Jake not wanting to give out the last two roses. At the rate he's going the show is not going to have enough girls left for the whole season!!

mammaroos said...

what a great show last night. I was glad to see Elizabeth and Michelle leave they were my least favorite. I live Vienna and Tenley as for the other girl that left I don't remember her much. Ashleigh is the one I think is fake I don't like her at all.. '
I also heard a promo about someone saying they were pregnant but I don't know who it is.. and yes Jake did say in next weeks promo he didn't think he was goin to hand out the last 2 roses WOW that will leave only 5 left if 2 ppl leave and then the 2 roses he doesn't hand out.. Then the next week one person leaves that will be only 4 left ughhh its goign by to fast.
Anyway i have enjoyed this season so far can't wait to see how it goes.
As for Ella and her son I think Jake did good with him but I agree I don't think he is ready for a step son already but that is my opinion.

meb said...

I agree as to Jake running out of girls. I'm so glad he got rid of Michelle and then Elizabeth... how can any of them think they are #1 with him just because they had a great time on their date? They all feel as tho no one else is there competing after spending a little time with him.

Elizabeth thought they had a connection??? Where... he thought it was cute in the beginning but that kind of teasing cost her the rose. I'm glad... I think she and Michelle should go to the same shrink.

Zoetawny... they need you in there for your expertise!

I'm a little sad that Ali is coming across the way she is because I thought she would really be the last one standing. Now I think he has seen her 'other' side when she talked about Vienna. I even liked Vienna on their one on one date. I guess she doesn't know when to shut up with the girls and makes them envious. Too bad. She might have had a shot, and may still.

I too, don't think Ella will be there long. I can't imagine that Jake is ready for a full grown son to start his married life with her.

Gia is strange...but because she is calm and collected, she may fool him into thinking she's the only sensible one in the bunch.


The other girl who left last night... I don't even remember her at all.

Now he's not going to give two more roses... my, my this has been an exciting season!

magil said...

Estelle..and others, I saw that promo too, about 'somebody' being pregnant...I thought it was the girl, sorry... can't recall her name...long light brown curled hair whose been divorced...she just told him not that she was pregnant...but that she had been married before... seemed anti climatic...maybe, 'next' show someone will be pregnant...
I could really see that Jake was tired out! Who can blame him, poor guy! But honestly, was he being realistic when he said, "I just wanted to come and meet someone and fall in love...etc". When dealing with humans...is it 'ever' that simple? lol.
Sometimes I do wish the editors would allow us to see some level headed reasonable women speak, versus drama, drama, drama...at a point this is why this show get's a reputation for being 'fake'. Add some balanced seasoning to the recipe, producers!
Anyway, glad to find this site.
Enjoy interacting with everyone!

joy n said...

RTVW has a story on that pregnancy thing. It was an "icebreaker" joke. ABC had to cut it because of "time constraints".

OT: Another RTVW story concerning The death of 37 year-old Jennifer Lyons from Survivor:Palau. I'm about to put a comment on the last Survivor post here. Very sad.

Nana from the NW said...

Michelle was on Ellen DeGenerese today and said she was glad she left....that she shouldn't have had to ask for a kiss and when Jake hesitated she knew it was over. She said the girls were all nice, didn't understand why everyone hates Vienna, and hopes Tenley is the last one. She still appeared to be a desparate girl,wanting to get married and have a baby...IMO.

mammaroos said...

Anyone here tonight Whats going? any juicy stuff goin on in the house?? I wander who he isn't giving a rose to tonight?? anyone on the east post please :o)

TerryinCA said...

Im thinking Ali and Tenley will be last two...everyone else seems to have an agenda
I totally forgot there would be a discussion hee...Im hoping I will get some hints on tonight's show???
I dont mind spoilers!!!!

mammaroos said...

Terry i am in Oregon I would love some spoiers for tonights show lol Tenley is from a town abut 15 minutes from me.. I would love to see her go to the end i really like her and Ali

TerryinCA said...

hey!
glad you are sitting here with me, wish some east coaties would chime in!
Two hours is a long time to watch for me.
I joined a Team Tenley on facebook..she seems as nice as Jake to me.

mammaroos said...

I just read on the boards at CBS.com who went home and I was kind of surprised. I won't say unless you want me too. or you can go look i am not sure if i should say here if someone doesnt want to know lol..but I only read about one person who went home off to read some more

mammaroos said...

Ok Now I know all 4 that went home

TerryinCA said...

SAY SAY SAY!!!! 4??

TerryinCA said...

why would it be on cbs? its abc show?

ML said...

I usually don't write until later, and by the time this gets posted the west coast should be done.

I can't believe I was actually watching thinking Jake better give Vienna a rose or I will be very disappointed. In the beginning, based on previews I thought Vienna was goofy with her lunch puppy stuff and spoiled little rich girl they portrayed. Maybe it's all still true, but after tonight I just can't believe how mean all those girls are to her and about her. Ali leads the charge, and although I would have thought she was perfect for him, her behavior at the rose ceremony was so over the top. Just who does she think she is? She acts like she's the God of who gets anything realted to Jake. I hope she does give Jake the talkin' to she is threatening and he sees just what a %$%*^ she is turning out to be. I think ABC set us up with a very kind edit for her in the beginning, full well knowing how she really was. Her inabilty to hold her venom in shows that she is not a good match for Jake, and I hope she is not the next bachelorette either.

I notice that Tenley and Gia both seem to keep their feelings about Vienna to themselves when in fornt of Jake. They may dislike her but they are more mature and have greater self control about it.

I knew Katherine would be going and she sealed the deal when she accused Jake of ignoring her all the time. Jake never really had anything with Jessie either and her warnings to Jake about Vienna as well as her trashy rose ceremony ensemble proved she isn't for Jake either. And of course I love how Ashleigh went on about not being desperate enough to throw herself at Jake all the while she was all over him and exposed practically up her you know what. And he never took the bait.

Overall, Jake, unlike past bachelors, has definitely not been overly kissy and stuff. You never saw him kiss Ashleigh, Jessie, or Katherine. And he only hugged Ella on that date tonight.

My guess is that Ali or Corie go home next week. We'll see. And welcome Magil. I'm relatively new here myself and I love the opportunity to chat and read what others think. Thanks Jackie.
ML

PDX Granny said...

I'm still watching the show, and don't want to find out ahead of time what's happened so I haven't read any other comments yet.

I haven't seen much of Gia until tonight, so wasn't sure how I felt about her. I ended up liking her during their date. But I was getting a bit tired of her nervous laugh.

Was it editing, or did Ashleigh really just crawl all over him? I'll be surprised if she stays tonight. But I've been know to be wrong before. : )

I still like Ali, although as much as they show her talking about Vienna going home, I'm beginning to get nervous for her.

Am I imagining things, or do I keep seeing Tenley say she's pregnant in previews? It's got to be editting to make it sound like that. I can hardly wait to see the real interaction.

I just saw the double date with Ella and Katherine. I thought he'd probably give the rose to Ella because I sensed more of a connection between them. I was glad to see him acknowledge that he had stronger feelings for some of the others tho, and let her go home to her son. I thought she was classy when she left. She reminds me of the gal from a while back who also had a southern accent and a kid. Although I think hers was a girl??

I wasn't too suprised to see him not give the rose to katherine. He's really getting serious about not bringing some along if he doesn't really feel something for them. I have to admire that.

OK, back to the show . . . . .

PDX Granny said...

Mammaroos, I forgot that you're a "local" girl. Now that I've been reminded, am I remembering that you live in Salem?

I live in Portland, so we're neighbors!

Sydney said...

OMG!! Last night the bachelor literally earned their tease of being the most dramatic SHOW ever! I am LOVING this season!!!

meb said...

OK, THIS IS LONG:

I'm disappointed with Ali... she is really a little biotch... which is sad, cause I truly liked her in the beginning. Who do they think they are to tell him who he should like and shouldn't like. I like Tenley. I didn't care for the mother of the 7 year old. She looked older than he to me.

There's something about Vienna I like, but I'm not sure I want Jake to end up with her. If she's a spoiled brat we haven't seen her come off that way. She just never knows when to let it go with the girls, but she gets along just fine with Jake. Why, if she is so awful, haven't the feeds shown us some of it. All I've ever seen is one of the other girls trashing her. She isn't the prettiest one, but she seems more down to earth than any of them.

Gia and her laugh was truly getting on my nerves on her one on one with him. And the blond he sent home in the rose ceremony didn't seem to have anything to say to him when she was with him. She just sat there. She had no conversation and he didn't really ask her any questions either. Dead give away she was going home.

Think about those left, who you would want to meet the parents? With sending 4 home in one night, he's running out of girls. I think it'll come down to Tinley, maybe Cory and unless they change his mind for him, I think he's intrigued enough to want to see what Vienna's father is like, after the one girl telling him she's a daddy's girl. I think Ali will dig her own grave with her loose lips.

I have to admit it shocked me (and Katherine) that he sent both girls home from the 2 on 1 date. Then he sent two home from the rose ceremony as intimated in the previews last week.

Hey, he's serious... he's looking for a wife. Wonder why they call him "One Date Jake"???

Sydney said...

I see a connection with most of the ones left... certainly Ali and surprisingly GIA. Tenley is lovely and I think we all think she would be a great wife and mother and while she is pretty and fun, he also went for the sexy ones so much, I hope it won't be that she doesn't provide enough excitement for him. Though he also let go the tall, leggy blonde -- is that Michelle -- and he felt no chemistry with her.

And I think he has more to check out with Tenley. It also looked like he was REALLY taken with Gia I was amazed he let the single mom go. I'd hate to think that the guy we all think is so great would not want to contend with what comes with having a step kid. She got prettier and prettier in my book, but she also was maybe too straight. The one I can't figure out is his keeping Vienna, because I think she's the least attractive in the bunch. But he must have shared some pretty special time with her to do that.

And while the last two eps the girls have trashed Vienna, when you watch them all together running from the RV's or to the door to get the date card, etc... in the back ground you see other girls holding hands with Vinenna, laughing with her etc. So if they don't stay in her room and the Gina G. brunette says she's her only friend, how is that happening? It's clear Ali and Tenley are catty about her, and that shows their character too...

I'm thinking he will get more quality serious time to get to know the girls he has left, which will give them all a better chance at having a real relationship come out if this. But it should not cut the show down. I think Jen Scheff should have done that and maybe would have had more success....

mammaroos said...

PDX yes I am in Salem yep were neighbors :) your just up the road from me :) I am happy with Jakes decisions last night but I can honestly say I can't see him at the end Vienna i don't think she is ready to settle down, we will just have to see :) can't wait for Tar and Survivor to start back up wish BB would have more than one season a yr I miss that show

ML said...

Sydney and Meb I think we are on the same page, and Mammaroos I agree. I can't see Jake with Vienna either, but I don't think he should cut Vienna just because the other girls tell him to. They all have a vested interest in her leaving. I guess I feel a little sorry for her, and like it or not, she and Jake had an undeniable connection on their date. Both attraction and love are often unexplainable. I will say though, if she even starts with the Paris Hilton doggy act that's it for me.

I, too, am looking forward especially to Survivor starting. I hope Jake and the gals can keep it interesting until then.
ML

Nana from the NW said...

I checked in here last night at about 6pm(PST)but no one was here. I was hoping for some spoilers from the east coast....seems like only us west coasters are watching the show!!

My opinion about some of these girls is different from your comments. What's great about this site is that we can differ and not be crucified.

I believe Vienna said it all in here interview from the opening night. She said(paraphased)...I am a Daddy's girl, I get what I want, I've wrecked 4 cars and i just get a new one. I am spoiled and like nice things. I don't care about the other girls....Michelle was on Ellen DeGeneres and said the girls didn't like Vienna because she talked about herself all the time, was high maintenance, and constantly interupted the others when they were talking. She made fun of the girls and didn't seem to care about their feelings. I know alot of that sounds like Ali but I think we have been seeing some careful editting to make Ali look like the only bitch in the group. I agree that she is more vocal than Tenley and Gia but I think she is confused about how Jake can keep her and Vienna...who are so different.
I really like the chemistry between Ali and Jake and also Tenley and Jake. I worry that Tenley really isn't ready to trust her heart to another man....she has only been divorced about 1 and half years and not dated since the divorce. That being said Tenley seems very sweet and wants a life with Jake. I don't believe Gia as being the right match. She put on a good act on their campsite date but she's a NY girl and I don't think could take the great outdoors on a regular basis. Her career is a swimsuit model...can she do that from Texas? I was glad to see more of Corrie. I really like her. Jake seemed to enjoy her company but when it's time to eliminate she will go before Tenley and Ali.

Well, I think that covers all of them. With some many gone early I hope we see more of the dates and they slow down the elimination process. Glad to be able to talk to all of you about the show. Next week should be interesting at there will be more one-on-one time and some strong feelings are starting to develop.

ML said...

I'm not really sure about Gia but I know two things. First, her nervous little laugh has become so grating, and her woodsy date with Jake was sweet, but very planned and safe. Her response to the raccoons though, that was the real Gia and it was hilarious. Ultimately I don't think she and Jake are cut out for each other. He can't very well go running around Texas beating off all the 'wildlife' with her hairbrush.
ML

Delee said...

Hot news:

ABC will have Jason and Molly's wedding on air 8 March. May or may not watch as I think he is sleazy!!!

Plus http://www.realitytvworld.com
has article about the finale and he talks about Vienna

Anonymous said...

I also saw that tenley said she
was preggies. Jake then said why
is this happening to me all the time.
Don't know how this will end.

I stil like Alie

Estelle

Rochelle said...

Hi Magil!

So glad to see all these comments. I have not been able to catch the show live so that's why I've not been commenting in real time. I have a conference call every Monday night but I'll try to hop on after to give spoilers to the West coasters wanting them...

Estelle and whomever else mentioned the pregnant thing. They showed the clip on some show I was watching. It was from when Tenley took him aside to that round couch on the group date and cried and told him about that she was married, she saved herself for marriage, it was both of their first times, and then he cheated. I guess at some point she probably wanted to lighten up that story and so threw in with a smile, and btw, I'm also pregnant. It was a joke and they just didn't show it.


I thought Gia said she had a hair salon when Jake complimented her on her hair when they first met. She reminds me (in looks)of Gina Gershon. I thought her laugh was more feminine and not so NY tough. Apparently I'm the only one, lol.

Interesting views on Vienna. I do NOT think he would like a princess, just as much as the New York thing will get in the way of his outdoorsy guy lifestyle. This bachelor has worn jeans and a lumberjack shirt to more of the dates and dinners, with all of them in cocktail dresses, than any other bachelor. Most of them wear suits or nice date shirts and pants. So I think Jake told the producers I want to be ME as much as possible -- and he camps, so he wanted to get these girls in as many outdoor types of dates as possible, not all glitz and glamour fantasy like shows in the past. I think that is a good idea.

Did you notice that every single one of the women remaining at the rose ceremony had dark brown eyes. Not a blue, green, light brown pair in the bunch. I wonder if that was a request on his part or just a coincidence! I take that back... maybe Tenley's are more hazel? She reminds me of Jennifer Aniston with Minnie Mouse's voice.

But Meb, I DO think she's ready. Her emotions came out I think, not because she's not 100% ready to move on (she seems mature and pretty well balanced) but because it was so embarassing, in her book, to have to tell the new guy you are dating that your husband dumped you for another woman -- when you had saved your self for him to boot!

ML, I agree, I fear for Ali -- she is WAY too triggered by Vienna and though Tenley sides with her, she doesn't say much to Jake-- wisely so. Jake has been told by enough people in enough ways. She needs to play it smart and NOT give him that big speech next show or it will really hurt her.

I think he will end up with Tenley or Ali but if he's with Vienna in the f-2 I highly doubt they will last till the finale.

meb said...

Rochelle, I like Tenly, and I think the fact that she got emotional when she was telling Jake about her previous marriage only solidified his thoughts about her. She's true and honest. So I agree with you.

mammaroos said...

Peeking in from Rainy Oregon hoping for some updates from East coasties :) Hope everyone is warm alot of crazy weather this past week.

TerryinCA said...

hey Mamaroo
not much action tonight...who are you thinking is going home?

PDX Granny said...

I'm not reading comments yet, because as usual, I don't want to know what happens until I see it.

Vienna hasn't endeared herself to me at all tonight. It doesn't look like Jake is all that impressed either. It appeared he knew exactly what she was doing on the double date with Gia, wanting to take all the attention for herself. I think she made a big mistake crawling into his bed like she did.

It was good to see him and Corrie warming up a bit more. I was beginning to think it was going to be another one of those dates filled with nothing but awkward silences. I'm glad it worked out the way it did.

I'm watching the date with Ali now. I still like them together. She'll be explaining her feelings soon, I'm sure. I hope she can make him understand why she feels like she does about Vienna, and doens't come across bitchy when doing it.

OK, back to the show now. I can't do this commenting and watching at the same time. I'm envious of those of you who can!

PDX Granny said...

I'm still waiting for the rose ceremony. I keep getting the feeling it might be Ali going home. I hope it's just the way they're editing it.

On their date when she said something about if he chooses her, she's all his, but if not, then so be it (or something to that effect), he had a funny look on his face. Then just before the ceremony, when he was looking at the pictures, his voice over was saying he had to let one girl go home as he was holding her picture.

OK, it's back on. I'll know in a minute!

PDX Granny said...

OK, I'm really, really glad it was the editing, and not Ali that left.

I'm not so glad, though not so surprised that Vienna is still there. :(

ML said...

You could tell Jake just wasn't as drawn to Corrie as he is the others.PDX Granny, I agree about Vienna. While I don't like the way the others treat Vienna, I think she's a bit impetuous and acts rather childlike. By the same token though, her spontaneity and enthusiasm is attractive to him, like when she grabbed his face and kissed him while she was telling Jake what she thought daily married life would be.
ML

ML said...

ok so I fell asleep writing that last comment lol and didn't finish.
When Corrie left she hugged all the girls except Vienna, or they just didn't show it. Vienna was just standing there.

I think Ali redeemded herself a bit last night deciding not to go into reasons about disliking Vienna, and although their date was fun and easy, Jake looked like he kinda had more chemistry with Tenley and Gia? He just seemed a little more hesitant with Ali and the way she was on top of him in the park in San Francisco. It was funny watching because he had no where PG rated to put his hands. That was a bit forward of Ali considering she had a short dress on, too.

One other point. I remember in the first episode when they introduced Tenley, it struck me that she was just laying on a couch in a very plain room looking like she had nothing to do. Most of the profiles they do in the beginning show something of their personality or lifestyle. Then last night she answered Jake's question about how she may have contributed to the divorce by saying she wishes she had gotten up off the couch to greet her husband when he got home. Maybe she's a little boring/uninvolved? Perhaps that was staged for editing, too. I wish we didn't have to wait a whole week to find out how the hometowns go!
ML

Sydney said...

OMG OMG OMG OMG I can't wait until next week. This has really been the best season in a long time. I WANT JAKE, lol.

If you asked me who he'd end up with today I'd think either Tenley or Ali. I have been surprised what an uncool catty cat she's been in the show... didn't expect that from the girl we saw Ali being on the first date with Jake. It IS natural with them, but I think he's really pretty straight and in the long run, someone like Tenley will be the best all round wife and mother for him. But though sunny and so very sweet and real, I don't think she's very interesting as a person either. He claims that Vienna's appeal is that she really lets him know she's there for HIM -- so that feels good to him. But so has Ali.
But he said Vienna always keeps him guessing, he never knows what will come out of her mouth. So maybe he would have a tolerance for Ali when the honeymoon is over and they start to have real-life couple spats and SHE says things he doesn't expect.

I'm amazed at the chemistry I see he and Gia having. I didn't expect her to be so sweet and vulnerable. That must seem very sexy to him as they do have some amazing kissing sessions for a guy who keeps it clean as he has. But chemistry is great for make out sessions -- I don't think he'll see her as the all round life mate when it comes to the F2.

While she's entertaining, when he asked Vienna how she saw married life, did you see his face when she said I'd like to be like 6 year olds? He didn't approve -- too childlish. She didn't save it when she said "and have fun, and travel" He knows that's not real life. Not like the answers he got from Corrie and Tenley and Ali. But when Vienna grabbed his face and said I want to wake up every morning like *smack* I love you he was delighted... entertained by her again.

But in the long run, I think he'll choose seriously. Tenley and Ali.

The cut makes it look like one of the girls leaves on her own. The editing showed him hugging someone with blonde hair but I think it might be Gia. I don't know why. Vienna and Ali would never leave. Tenley might only if something hideous happened or she felt he would not choose her.

It will be a turn off to hear Vienna's dad say I expect her to be treated like a princess. I'm sure Jake will say all the right things to the camera but really, that's not real life and we all know it.

This is SO long, I'm sorry. Just dying to know who YOU think will leave on her own accord next week and why... or are they fooling us and Jake will say I need another week with ALL FOUR???? Tell me what you all think!!

Sydney said...

ML said:That was a bit forward of Ali considering she had a short dress on, too.

I agree and yet, she said at that moment I feel comfortable with you and he said he did too. I think her sitting on him like that made him feel akward because he was probably trying really hard to supress a pup tent, and that has to be somewhat our of his control, lol

PDX, I never felt Ali was going home. I wonder what I missed.

ML I agree that Ali was WISE to not get into the Vienna thing when Jake asked about it and redeemed herself.

Lastly, I can't believe he said Vienna looked SEXY coming into his bedroom with the wine. Ponytail, grey tank tee and a hoodie is sexy? She was not even wearing shorts was she? He said he admitted he had dirty thoughts... really? I kinda liked it when he talked dirty like that, lol, but that he thought that of Vienna, who I think is just not attractive at all,makes me realize we have no idea what goes on in the mind of man! :-)

ML said...

Amen Sydney to all your comments on both of your two long posts! I love it.
ML

Anonymous said...

hey guys, do you remember at the beginning of the show someone said
she was preganant on the coming
attractions.
The way they ended the week with
next weeks coming attraction I
do believe thats what happens and I think it might be Tenley.

Estelle

joy n said...

I hope I don't upset anyone with the following comments about Vienna. I'm kinda, sorta following the show and have been reading your comments here. I just read this under highlights of the US Weekly issue for this week.

They have a story with comments by Vienna's ex' husband, Josh Riley. He says that Vienna (an unemployed former Hooter's waitress) and he had a 10 month marriage by elopement. She took his last $5000from their bank account and got her breast implants while he was deployed in Iraq with the Marines. He returned from Iraq after being injured in an explosion, and found that she had locked up his possessions in storage and wouldn't tell he or his family where thay were. Josh also says he discovered that she had slept with one of his buddies while he was overseas. He says marrying her was a huge mistake.

And Jake knows none of this.

ML said...

Joy n, do we believe him? Vienna told Jake a different story about her short-lived marriage. The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories. Other than feeling a little sorry for her beacause everybody's mean to her, Vienna makes it hard to root for her, and more seems to get revealed about her every day (more of the trashy variety that is). This hometown date should be interesting.
ML

joy n said...

ML: The same story is now on RTVW along with another in which Chris Harrison saying she is a "sweet" girl. Who knows? Her ex-mother-in-law definitely dislikes her along with her ex-husband.

Sydney said...

thanks for the info JoyN. I also saw on E! News tonight that I think People or Us is coming out with all kinds of dirt on Vienna, lingerie and bathing suit pics of Gia, and the fact that Ali usually dates older men... not that any of that is so racy... but, something to mention.

meb said...

I can't believe that this last episode didn't tape... I probably had too much taping at the time and didn't notice that it was telling me there were conflicts. You'll bet I'll be watching for that next time.

I'm sorry to hear the stories about Vienna. She disappoints me if they are true.

I still can't see any of them as his wife. I like Tenley the most, but I don't see them making it... she's a trophy wife I think.

Anxious to see them in their home towns.

TerryinCA said...

I am wondering if no ROSE Ceremony that means 4 go to his hometown?
I can say I only like Tenley...she seems down to earth and sweet

Becky said...

I am watching for the first time tonight. I saw Gia and am watching Ali. Of the two I think I like Gia best.

Sydney said...

I am watching too! Is anyone here live?

Tenley is so lovely as a person but I don't know... she seems a little too perky and positive and polite?

Becky said...

So far I think he will pick Tenley. I loved the dance she did.

However, I think there was a lot of chemistry with Gia. Much more than with Ali.

Becky said...

Hey, Sydney, just checked and I am alive.

Tenley was the first that he asked the parent if he would approve of him proposing.

Sydney said...

HI Becky-- JoyN are you there too?

Becky said...

I was not taken with Vienna. He talks about how honest she is... something about her rubs me the wrong way.

Becky said...

So, if "you don't know if Ali is the one", let her go. You DON'T have to select one at the end. Just don't pull a jerk like before by proposing to one and then breaking up on national TV. It wouldn't be fair to keep her there if he does not know which one.

What do you think Sydney and JoyN?

Sydney said...

I just don't get the Vienna thing.. not that she might be fine. Seems immature to me, and I was not impressed with her dad or the hometown thing at all.

Now something is going to happen at the final rose ceremony... shit! I am not saying anything so as not to spoil it for the West coasters.

Becky said...

Sydney, I didn't realize that I was opening my big mouth and might spoil it for the West Coast.

I won't say any more.

Sydney said...

Oh Ali--- I understand the dilemma, but after what Jake told her... she's still conlficted? Remember when Christa could not tell Ryan she wanted him over the other guys and he was practically begging her to on their overnight date in front of the fire? Apparently now The Bachelore/ette can say I love you, etc...

Sydney said...

Stoopid stoopid girl.

And this is the problem. Each girl that Jake was favoring has left the program one way or another. So now he has to propose to one of the others. THAT's one big reasonwhy the show does not have a bigger marriage rate.

Sydney said...

Oh that's crazy.

Gia is too giggle and maybe fake shy-fetching for my tastes.

WTF is Vienna doing in there.

WTF was in Ally's head?

TerryinCA said...

ok SYD email me with all the juicy details!!!! I want to know spoilers!!!!
PLEASE!!!!!

Nana from the NW said...

Darn it!! I just wrote a long comment and it told me "we cannot process you request".

I'll be brief--please post spoilers! Just staart with a Spoiler Alert. I come here to find out what happened before it airs on the WC. Terry your cheating by e-mailing Sydney!! LOL

I'm hoping the F2 is Tenley and Ali. Vienna is a spoiled daddy's girl and too immature. Gia seems to have a shady career and I don't think Jake would be pleased with it.

TerryinCA said...

Nana...........she wont answer me!!

joy n said...

Just getting online now. I never got to make my Xmax cookies this past holiday because of all the excitement around here. So tonight, I baked Valentine cookies for all my neighbors that usually get them as gifts. I'm pooped. Manana I frost them. Anyway.....

I watched the show as I toiled.

Spoiler alert!!!

I'm surprised that Ali left. It made me wonder if she was testing him, thinking he wouldn't let her go if he planned to choose her. Guess we'll never really know.

Am I wrong or did Jake pretty much tell all the parents he wanted to marry their daughter? Aren't the bachelors usually a little more evasive than that?

I am just not feeling Vienna as wife material for this guy. She strikes me too as immature and spoiled. And way too clingy.

Tenley seems a bit too fragile and still very immersed in her breakup. I think she needs a lot more time to heal before she jumps back into another marriage. It's all sounding rebound to me with her. If he does choose her, hopefully, it'll be a long engagement.

Gia, I'm having a hard time figuring her out. Last week I liked her, this week, not so much.

TerryinCA said...

DANG our TV just fritzed!!!!!

Anonymous said...

did anyone notice in the promo that Jake's phone rang and it was
Ali on the line?

Shades of Ed last season.

She has developed into a real drama
queen who may have pushed her luck to far.

They said 3 weeks to the season finale, does that mean Ali comes
back?

Estelle

ML said...

I'm laughing just reading all these comments. I wish I could type and watch at the same time.

Ali didn't do herself any favors last night by her clingy, whiny performance. She tried to force Jake's hand, and he went farther than I thought he would in asking her to stay. Remember, however, on their date last week by the ocean she told him if it works out with them great, but if it doesn't, that's ok, too. This had to be in the back of Jake's mind, and you could tell he just couldn't promise her because his feelings for the others were just as real. Could they have ended up a great couple if the situation were different? Possibly, but then again Jake could have been that way with any number of the girls had things been different. Ali wanted him to say, "OK let's just stop production right here; she is the one!" But of course he did not and could not.

Tenley and her whole family seem very emotional, like something's still not quite right. I know I've said before she seems a bit childlike. I read in Jake's blog that he said she wouldn't try any of the Chineses food on their date at all. I think she's kind of a homebody and not too adventuresome in the least. She also prefaces almost everything with "my ex-husband this... or he never...". You said it right Joy N, it's just too soon for her.

Gia is a contradiction with her whole innocent hurt girl thing. I like her but her Maxim photo shoot and video...eewwww.

You can see that the show is setting things up for Vienna to show how and why he fell for her. I guess I can see it but.... I wish he had kept a few different ones from the beginning. He seems to have gotten rid of anyone with dreams or aspirations of anything successful career oriented. Perhaps that's why he couldn't commit to Ali. I think Vienna is maybe just outspoken enough, yet she would still be submissive to his need to lead, especially in terms of where they would live. He also likes the warm weather, that is clear.
ML
I like my wv Sheless. If Jake keeps losing all the good ones he is going to end up she-less.

Sydney said...

TERRy -- sorry, I had a computer problem last night -- though it was crashing yikes, so I shut it down right after I posted here. And I see many people have beaten me to it.

Estelle, I'd like nothing more than for Ali to come back. I don't think it will happen but I hope it will.

Becky, I missed him saying he was not sure about Ali -- so maybe she was right to leave, and maybe she created it when she said it's OK if this doesn't work out when they were on their one on one in SF. She might just have been trying to keep her distance for self protection in that moment, or it might have been the editing out of context. She was clearly into Jake....

PDX Granny said...

I hated seeing Ali go, but wonder about it. Does Jake have a camera on him at all times? I figured he'd have most of the time to himself when he was in his room. If that's the case, wasn't it convenient for a camera to be there right when Ali came to visit?

I can't help but wonder about the timing of the job ultimatum as well. I have no idea what the real time is on the show, but for her employer to let her be gone up to this point, I'd think the job could wait a bit longer for her.

Now, we have to wait a whole week to find out what her phone call is all about! I won't lose any sleep over it, but I am wanting to know! The way they edit the previews, we're lead to believe there's something different going on that there really is.

As far as the other girls, Tenley is still my favorite. She seems genuinely sweet and sincere, although like others have said, a bit fragile. It appears she still has some healing to do. If she is the one picked, I hope they have a long engagement so she'll have time to do just that.

I haven't liked Vienna since the first show where she grabbed his hand, holding it to herself so he could feel her heartbeat. There's something about her that has always rubbed me the wrong way. Now, with all these other stories coming out about her, even if they're only half truths, it's validating my feeling. Even tho she and Jake seem to have something between them, he's hearing what the others are saying about her. Now it's like he has this little voice telling him things may not be what they seem. I hope he listens to that little voice!!

As far as Gia, I'm not so sure I'm buying her shy little girl act. Is she just acting coy, or is that really her?

Anonymous said...

My comments keep getting rejected...I will try another way.

Don't have time to write it all again but.....

I hope Ali comes back
I think if she doesn't the F2 will be Tenley and Vienna...neither of which is really ready to get married.
I wonder how they are going to wrap up the show in 3 weeks when there is still Fantasy dates, meet Jakes family, the girls tell all and the final rose ceremony.
Jake has said from the beginning he wants to be engaged when this is done....will he propose to someone that he knows isn't really the right fit?? Guess we wait until next week to find out.

Nana in the NW

Sydney said...

PDX-- from what I remember Jake was in the little room off the rose ceremony place where he's left with a camera or two to stare at the pictures and decide who to give roses to. Ali was waiting in the line with the girls and asked Chris to talk for a moment. She probably said she wanted to talk to Jake and so she was ushered into the room with him. As they sat on the couch I actually saw the shadow of a cameraman or someone move across them to the right to shoot what was happening, so it looked to me like it was in real time, just like when Jake left the room and asked to talk to Chris -- that time when he said he didn't want to give out two roses.

I agree about Gia. While her coy vibe works for her, I do believe she has a heart in there and may really be genuinely interested in Jake. The do have real chemistry imho. I'm sure she went on the show to further her career but also willing to fall in love. She knows how to work the sexy! Her brand is not slutty/cheap but batting her Bambi lashes and putting her index finger between her pillow lips. I saw that Maxim thing and she did all that there too. Hey, if I were a guy, that would be super powerful. I think he'll let her go next in any case, because I think Jake realizes thru the chemistry that they aren't a match in terms of a lifetime.

But HOW can he see Vienna for life?!?!?!?

joy n said...

Well, Reality TV World now has an article up about Tenley. But this one definitely has to be taken with a grain of salt. All the quotes are from Tenley's ex-husbands new fiance. She says Tenley is not the sweet girl you see on TV. She said that the ex never cheated on Tenley, that T would only "allow" sex once a week and often withheld that. That Tenley never allowed the guy to see his family. Now it would seem that the new fiance could only have gotten this "info" from the ex. Sour grapes....?

The exes are really coming out of the woodwork this season.

Anonymous said...

joyn--I agree about the exes. There seems to be alot of divorced women and women with a child on the show this season. I think in the beginning there were 5-6. Makes me wonder if not that many ladies are auditioning for the show.

Nana in the NW

PDX Granny said...

Syd, you're right about the time at the rose ceremony ~ Ali stepped out of line and went to meet Jake.

What I was wondering about was when she first went to him with her dilemma. He was in his hotel room that time. I figured he had a bit more time to himself there. Maybe not. Maybe he has the cameras on him 24/7 and it wasn't just a coincidence that they were there when Ali showed up.

Just wondering. : )

ML said...

I was thinking the same thing PDX Granny. Nothing on these shows is ever really spontaneous.I'm sure they can't just go where they want or leave their rooms or the house whenever they want or just go talk to the bachelor without permission and a camera crew first. So Ali probably asked to talk to Jake about leaving and they sent a crew to his room if there wasn't already one there 24/7. The same thing was probably done with Ed and Jillian in their season. The only difference was neither Ed nor Jillian went on and on with all the crying and sniveling that Ali did both there and sprawled all over him in the room off the rose ceremony. Jillian had some tears and Ed left anyway and that was it. Unfortunately Ali was, in that situation, an example of why women are often not taken as seriously in the workplace- the combination of indecisiveness and self pity more so than the tears. They probably could have made a good couple, perhaps better than the choices he has remaining, but we all know life is, at times, unfair. But we don't know yet what's up with that upcoming phone call from Ali. I hope it's not just another tease.
ML

joy n said...

I saw a spoiler clip this am that shows what she says on the phone. Then it shows him on his phone hanging his head but the clip stops before he responds. So.....

Spoiler Alert!!!!
She says she made the wrong decision about her job and wants to come back.

joy n said...

Now US Weekly is saying that Vienna's mom was a topless dancer/stripper which is supposedly why V doesn't mention her much. And Mom now sells boiled peanuts at the side of Rte. 46 in Florida. Where do they get this stuff? They say Vienna had a secret fling with a music-world celebrity ( you have to buy the mag to find out who he is) and has had multiple betrayals (in high school, she slept with her best friends boyfriend). A lot of people must hate this girl.

Sydney said...

PDX, my bad... and ML, I think that sounds just right.

Joy, I would hope that Ali came back and that he chose her as I do think she'd be the best choice but if what the spoilers say are true........ oh well.

Sydney said...

Joy, have you been reading reality steve?

joy n said...

No, Sydney, I haven't. I 'll see if I can find it tho.

joy n said...

Sheesh! Now Gia's off again, on again boyfriend told US Weekly that he's upset that Gia has said she doesn't have a boyfriend. RTVW also has the story.

Rochelle said...

FINALLY, a night where I can watch the Bachelor in real time!

mammaroos said...

SO whats happening?? Did Ali come back?? is Gia going to be the one gone tonight if Ali comes back that means he needs to send 2 ppl gone tonight ?? Can't wait to see the show

joy n said...

Ali called and Jake told her to get on a plane and come back. But it looks like he's telling her on the phone that it's not a good idea for her to come back. Guess that's all over now. Says he's not in love with Ali. Didn't he say he was before she left? Bit fickle, no?

It certainly looked like Vienna was expecting to "go all the way". She put on a negligee(sp?).

It really bothers me that he says he's 'in love' with all three women.

joy n said...

I think it might be Gia that leaves tonight.

He was asking Vienna what kind of ring she likes. She likes a thin band, platinum, with lots of bling around the big stone. Didn't hear him ask the other girls about that. It sure sounds like it's going to be Vienna in the end.

joy n said...

Actually, Jake told Ali he'd like to tell her to get on a plane and come back, but then said he couldn't do that. Editing!

mammaroos said...

I thihnk that if he ends up with Vienna she is going to hurt him :( kinda sad she is in it for the tv spot that just MY OPINION I hope he doesnt pick her but i bet he does :(

joy n said...

SPOILER ALERT!
Gia's gone. Said he has stronger feelings for the other two women.

joy n said...

I agree. Vienna is a spoiled little daddy's girl who seems to want the good things in life without working to get them. She's used to being provided for, I think. He'll be sorry if he chooses her. Women tell all next week. Finale in 2 weeks.

TerryinCA said...

HOLY SMOKE! thanks for the spoilers I am not gonna be able to stay up till 10 tonight...sheesh what is he thinking???
Im sure his parents wouldnt want vienna...and to keep her and Tenley? Those two are so starkly different.
I dont think Ali loved him I think she probably was in love with getting Vienna kicked off....

dla said...

Hi everyone! Happy Monday! Well, no surprises as I tuned in to reality steve from the get go this season, so he has had it nailed thus far. I would be willing to bet that he is no longer with the girl that he chooses... Can't imagine that it seemed like a good choice after returning to real life. Talk about not having a "type"! And, joy n, I so agree with you! I keep yelling at my TV each time he comments about being in love with all three women.

ML said...

Haha TerryinCA about Ali/Vienna. Ali seemed very unconvincing about her feelings for Jake even as she was telling him what a mistake she made. As they say, 'she who hesitates is lost' and I'm betting Ali lost both Jake and her job after that. I think he made the right decision for him, saying at one point that the other women had choices they had to make in their lives, too, and they did not leave.

Which brings me to my lightbulb moment here (not so surprising actually). What pleases or irritates men about women is entirely different from what irritates or pleases a woman about other women. Hence, all us commenting women here don't really care for Vienna for exactly the reasons that endear her to Jake. Men want to be wanted and have their egos stroked and be the center of their woman's attention. Vienna does just that, consistently, and Jake has said that over and over. Even when Jake was chastising Vienna in a previous episode about the fact that she brings it on herself with the other women, her response to him was 'so is there something else you want to talk with me about besides the other women?' She didn't defend herself but rather focused all her attention on him. So while I may not like it, I can see the attraction.

I kinda knew Gia would be leaving. When Jake spoke to Chris before the rose ceremony he said he was FALLING in love with Tenley and Gia, but he said he IS in love with Vienna. Although Gia was obviously hurt after 'going all the way' as she said in the fantasy suite, Jake just couldn't send Tenley home after spending the night with her. If/when he doesn't pick her, Tenley will probably need a therapist after giving herself to him. I think Tenley is sweet, but I don't think Jake wants to 'lead' a woman as Tenley said she wants to be.

I'm anxious to hear the women tell all next week. With Rosalyn, Michelle, Elizabeth, and Ali, this ought to be a doozy!
ML

Anonymous said...

I was a big fan of Jake, but when
he said he was falling in love with 3 women I nearly gagged. not
possibel.
There was a write in yesterdays
NY paper that Gia was out with her
boyfriend for valentines day.
As for Jake I don't care anymore.

Estelle

joy n said...

I read somewhere a few days ago that Ali's boss said that her job is safe.

Read today that Ali is now being considered for the next Bachelorette. She said she would be "delighted" if asked. Maybe she's not so worried about that job, after all.

Sydney said...

My computer crashed y'all so I couldn't comment last night, grrr. Using something different right now but I came here first thing.

I could really see last night that there is zero chemistry with he and Tenley. She let him know as much as Vienna that she's all about him and would like to be with him forever... I have a feeling that though they stayed in the same suite all night, they didn't go all the way. He isn't a dog and had to know that he should do only what she was ready for -- enough to tell how they'd match in the bedroom so to speak -- under the circumstances of her whole MO.

Gia and Vienna are a whole different deal. They way they edited it last night, I saw how into Vienna he is... and still saw tons of physical chemistry with he and Gia. He doesn't fit into her family, but Vienna's family wasn't a great fit either. But I don't know that I see him with a girl who always is giggling with her finger in her mouth looking bashful like Gia does. I do think she showed she has more capacity for fun than Jake thought she did, being a kind of fancy NY girl.

Tenley is just a little too straight, and he's straight, so while I'm shocked he would not pick her, opposites attract, so he's gonna pick Vienna I bet. Thing is, opposite doesn't always LAST...

DLA!!! Good to see you here. Of course I talk to you in my head at some point each week about this show, lol

joy n said...

Now US Weekly says that filming stopped in November and Vienna supposedly went straight home to her old boyfriend, Lee Smith. At his apartment, she found him in bed with a waitress (Hooter's?) Vienna stood at the foot of the bed and menaced them with a wine bottle she was holding.

Also says that there are "naughty" pix of Vienna floating around.

Jake, Jake, Jake, do you have any idea what you're getting into?

US Weekly is really digging up the dirt on this woman.

ML said...

If all these stories are true about theses women- Tenley, Gia, Vienna, then they are all great actresses with their professing their undying love for Jake.

Also, I hope they do not cast Ali as the next bachelorette. She may have been better for Jake than the rest of these women but that does not make her an interesting or appealing choice for a whole show. I am tired of them farming all the rejects for the next bachelor/ bachelorette. There have to be more interesting people than that out there. Fresh blood I say, fresh blood!
ML

ML said...

I forgot to say that Jake was the one notable exception in the line of rejects. He still seems like a nice guy, but I'm beginning to wonder whether ABC deliberately finds and casts all these scandalous, salacious women. I would say he deserves better choices than that, but he did get rid of the more potentially upstanding type women very early on. Of course who's to say they wouldn't have had skeletons in their closets, too.
ML

SYDNEY said...

Well, US is saying that Ali is the next bach... and I think they do that because we already "know" her and will tune in to see her. I certainly ONLY gave this season's first show a look because I liked Jake so much. Well, I thought he was really cute, in Jillain's season lol.

I actually think Ali would carry a whole show -- but didn't think Jillian could... and yet I got interested in how serious Jillian was in getting to know each guy and work out problems as they arose.

I wonder, does Ali have any clue what a roller coaster ride this will be??? And I highly doubt she will end up married in the end, I don't know why. If anything, those bad endings are what hurt the show more than anything else. People invest a dozen weeks and want to see a happy ending.

ML said...

I agree Sydney, about viewers becomming vested in a happy ending, and yes, many are watching especially because Jake was so appealing in many ways, including me. I just don't see Ali as being all that interesting. In the beginning she seemed peppy, spirited, fun, and sweet, but we all saw how she turned when she felt threatened by Vienna, and yet another side of her emerged when she was torn over her job and ultimately rejected on the phone by Jake. I'm trying to remember but I don't think any of the previous bachelorettes have been quite as acerbic as Ali- not Trista, Merideth, Jen, Deanna, Jillian- I can't remember any others but there probably were some. Anyway, IMHO she's just lost her luster, but I will probably watch anyway, cuz there will be 25 new men haha!
ML

meb said...

am I missing something??? where is everybody???

ML said...

Meb, I wonder, too, where the other comments are even though I usually comment after the show rather than during. I will comment here anyway. First, there was a preponderance of orange last night- skin color I mean. They all looked like they had gone thru the Dancing With the Stars spray tan machine. Ali especially was the same color head to toe. Her hair, skin, eyebrows, lips, everything was orangey brown. Very unnatural.

They all seemed to redeem themselves a bit, too, with Elizabeth recognizing her game playing, Ali acknowledging her nastiness about Vienna, etc. Except Michelle who still thinks she's normal and just misunderstood, lol. With Ali's comment about poor Vienna being trashed in the tabloids and how nobody derserves that, I think Ali realizes it could be her next as she is supposedly the new bachellorette.

And Rozyln, whoa. Deny, deny, deny, even with all those witnesses telling her what they saw. I wonder why she agreed to do that piece. This is not live. So ABC could have edited out her comment about Chris and supposedly hitting on someone else's wife. That made her look very vindictive, and she did herself no favors.

Overall, I think it was the best Women Tell All episode I've seen; I enjoyed it. The only thing that worries me is what Chris said at the end about next week's finale, that "hopefully" Jake will choose one of them to be his wife. Yes, he used the word hopefully. I hope we don't have another Brad coming on.
ML

joy n said...

Rozyln only succeeded in making herself look foolish. She protests way too much.

Just got my pute back. Had a virus.

I really enjoyed this season's Women Tell All the best of all, too.

ML said...

Thank you Joy n., I thought I was going to have to answer myself back.
ML

Sydney said...

Yay JoyN. Me too! Got it back this afternoon.

I still haven't watched the whole WTA, just the front and the back ends...

Did anyone else think all the stuff about them giving checks to charity (it was only $10,000, not that it's not nice, but for all the show makes, $10,000's a drop in the bucket) and doing charitable works (um, one school project) was to take full advantage of the high viewership of Jake's season to resusitate the image of the Bachelor?

That said, it was a smart thing to do and I did enjoy seeing all the old bachs/bachelorettes at their reunion parties... they even described that as a sorority/fraternity!

Sydney said...

Ok, getting to read comments now -- ML you are so right, especially about Ali Onetone *giggle*. Good point about her realizing that he laundry will be gone through in the press next. Hope not and that it's all good. If I were the producers I'd do major background tests on at least the bachelor/ettes... but you'd think they do and maybe also for the contestants and so maybe you're right that they sign up everyone knowing all this dirt for the "even bad press is good press" aspects. I don't know that they can dig up all the dirt however. You can know Gia had a Maxim movie and pics but not that Vienna stole $5000 for a boob job from her x hubby and bonked his BFF to boot. lol

If we do have Jake not choose anyone, I'd totally be willing to watch him do it all over again in a new season!!

hi MEB -- come tell us what you thought pleeeeease

Sydney said...

Thanks to Siz for pointing this article out. Hysterical. Four pages of it though...

Sydney said...

Woops -- here it is:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20346246,00.html

joy n said...

RTVW now saying that there's a sex tape of "inappropriate relationship" Roz being shopped around. Her spokesperson's only comment, "We know of no such tape."

It doesn't involve the producer. The person selling it says it is definitely her.

Sydney said...

arrgh, when will people wise up and STOP DOING SEX TAPES??!!??

I guess someone could have done it without their knowing but... doesn't seem the case with 90% of what's out there including John Edwards and his pregnant mistress. Oy.

I even glance around in public restrooms for hidden cameras before I use them,lol.

joy n said...

Sydney, they're saying it's her and a guy who's VERY well endowed.

dla said...

Hi everyone! I vote for a do over... I think Jake needs some NICE girls to choose from and this group has gone off the rails!!

Sydney, thank you for the links and updates. :)

I am uncertain if Ali can keep me interested for a full season, but looks like we will be finding out soon enough...

Sydney, I also had mixed emotions about the "Bachelor Gives Back" segment during WTA - $$ were drop in the bucket and felt a bit self-serving to me, but what do I know?

Looking forward to next week and the big reveal - Most curious about where they are today, after all the press.

ML said...

I am looking forward to the finale tomorrow. This season seems to have gone by too fast. I can't shake this feeling he chooses nobody. I hope I'm wrong; I want a happy ending even if it doesn't last lol.
ML

ML said...

Actually, if he doesn't choose one of them I, too, would be willing to watch him try gain, mostly because he doesn't spend the whole time mking out in hot tubs with all of them. It has been mostly some of the girls that have been trashy this season, and he, for the most part, did not take the bait.
ML

Nana in the NW said...

I've been wondering about him not choosing anyone too. The commercials say the fireworks continue on the "After the Rose" show. Personally, I don't think either girl is a fit for his life-long partner. I would rather see him be honest about it now than string someone along. There is no shame in admitting that feelings are not strong enough to propose to someone. I am on the west coast so will be checking in later for any spoilers(hint, hint).

Nana in the NW

mammaroos said...

Hey Nana I am right with you I have to leave here in a few to go and get my daughter registered for high school can't believe they are doing it in march anyway by the time i get back and read the comments the show will be over on the east coast... Can't wait to see who he chooses I sure hope its Tenley any way have a good night ladies and ty for another great season of updates :)
(((hugs)))) karen

Sydney said...

FInale!!!!

Of course Tenley made a great impression... it will be a real shock when Tenley comes.

joy n said...

Jake's family is definitely not feeling Vienna.

Sydney said...

Interesting that his mother said, does she know you will push her in the pool if she's sitting on the edge... that must be the side of him that likes Vienna.

Tenley is not so uptight that she didn't go with it when he indeed did just that. If she really is that person after the honeymoon phase, then she might be a better match for Jake.

And ML, I'd see him go thru it again too. He did make them tone down the big fancy dates a lot this season. I like how he did things, even if I am aware that he was a former actor and is very comfortable posing during those photo shoots early on... I noticed that and wondered as to his staightness and aw shucksness.

joy n said...

Well, the future in-laws (?) are
slowly being won over by Vienna, it seems.

Sydney said...

Joy, I find that just so hard to believe. I just wrote dla an e-mail saying I wish they'd have given us more footage to see how that has happened. She's just so unpoised and immature in her communication style. I can understand that he likes to be with her, but she really has a long way to go to not have him go thru a lifetime of making excuses for her or getting defensive for her.

joy n said...

Jake and Vienna sure act like they're in love, don't they?

Sydney said...

Why oh why does he think Vienna is 'Smokin' hot"????? Superficially speaking, I really don't see it. Face or figure. Love is blind, but lust isn't ... is it? lol

If you really like someone you can over look a lot and being fun is an aphrodi
siac but I still don't see it.

joy n said...

Sydney, I agree. I really don't think a relationship between J&V would last for long once the bloom is off. But right now, he is definitely "feeling" her.

I like Tenley but really strongly believe this is a rebound thing for her. I think he would have problems in a relationship with her too.

Sydney said...

It's funny, I guess I'm the only person who doesn't think Tenley will treat it as a rebound. She doesn't have or want more life experiences with men. I think she'd be fine staying with Jake... maybe have some repercussions of trust but who wouldn't? But I think I'm in a crowd of one on that.

Melissa Rycroft. Did she get the DWTS gig beside Tom Bergeron? What a difference a year makes. Let's all remember that people! lol

Sydney said...

Well, Vienna came off looking at least serious and sincere in the last segment. You can see the connection for the last two eps and how different it is with Tenley. And now with her breaking down because Jake's doesn't feel the same schwing right now does show that she is fragile that way. Hey, who wouldn't want what she wants and cry in the circumstances...a back to back sense that you're not hot enough.

But I give Jake credit for putting it the way he did.. he does feel the emotional connection and is trying to value that, instead of just going for the hot physical connection that ended up empty. I do think it shows he is trying to make the right decision, instead of just being bowled over by the chemistry he has for Vienna. I mean, he had major chemistry for Gia too -- you could see it. But the personal connection wasn't there.

joy n said...

Ouch, had to be hard for Tenley to hear that phsical side may not be there for him.

joy n said...

Wow! If Jake keeps this up, I might fall in love with him. Very sweet words. I'm swooning here.

Sydney said...

Aren't we all, Joy?

X-RATED WARNING...


Ok, if we all were sitting in a living room watching this together and cackling and crowing over the show, I might have said something lie --If I were Tenley,I'd drag him in a closet and get down (or go down, depending). Now while he had to leave Vienna, it seems like he's spending the night with her now.

I am certain that on the one on one in the fantasy suite they didn't go all the way. I never assume that. I bet Vienna was not going to let that opportunity go but Jake might have put some boundaries on how far he'd go with all of the girls in that situation...

Back to romance and rainbows...

Sydney said...

well, I have to say Vienna looks beautiful in this last outfit. Make up is very well done.

joy n said...

My thing with Vienna is kind of what she just said. I think she is immature and expects this is all a whirlwind fairytale come true. She seems to think it will all be fun and beaches and passion. We all know that (to a degree) that doesn't tend to last forever. I can see her being bored and petulant when those feelings tend to wind down a bit.

joy n said...

That was so sad and heartbreakingly honest, I think.

Doubt Vienna would have acted the same if he'd just turned her down.

joy n said...

OT!!!

DWTS - Niecy from Cleaning House is funny. Buzz Aldrin? WOW! But Kate Gosselin? NOOOOOO!

joy n said...

WOW! I have to admit, all those emotions between both of them seemed very genuine. Hope it lasts.

joy n said...

Vienna is the chosen one!

joy n said...

Tenley shows a lot of class.

Maybe she's in denial or something about the non-physical thing. But I think I got what Jake meant.

joy n said...

OT!!!!

OMG! Jake will be the 11th contestant on DWTS and he says Vienna will be there to cheer him on. OMG!!!

joy n said...

Jake is trying so hard not to hurt Tenley's feelings. He just wasn't that physically attracted to her. I really think he's trying to spare her feelings on national television.

joy n said...

MHO, but I'm not sure that friendship would be a good thing. At least not for awhile. It sounds to me like Tenley is still trying to hold on a bit, not ready to let go yet.

Nana in the NW said...

Thanks ladies for the updates and spoilers. Now I can watch Amer. Idol and will tape Bachelor. It ended as most had guessed...YUCK! At least watching it on DVR I can fast forward most of it.
I'm off to find out who all is going to be on DWTS.
BTW--is anyone going to watch Jason and Molly's wedding next week?

Nana in the NW

Sydney said...

Yay, we get to still watch Jake... though I'm not sure that it is the best way to start a relationship -- 3 months apart while the Bachleor airs, then right into hours and hours a week of practive hip to hip with one of those pro dancers. But let's face it, as Jake's star rises, Vienna will have a more glamorous life...

Sydney said...

Remember when Jillian told Jake he was too perfect... and he said everyone had told him that and he hated it?

And then he kept saying that about Tenley.

Sydney said...

The final rose follows the show directly... it is NOT last week, so keep your DVR's and TIVO's running!!!

Sydney said...

I know Joyce... she is putting him in the position to just burst out with "Hey, I didn't want to stchup you like I wanted to with Vienna"

joy n said...

Jake sounds like he is completely in love with Vienna.

One thing that really bothers me about Jake is that occasional "actor" laugh he does. Reminds me of Tom Cruise and I can't stand Tom Cruise!

And, Nana, no, I really doubt I will watch that wedding. Still don't like him all that much.

Sydney said...

Ugh, Kate Gosselin... and the pussy cat doll, and she can dance (and may have a lot of voting fans) so she won't get voted out early.

But I'm psyched for the guy who just won the gold medal in figure skating and that JAKE will be on, and Pam Anderson... of course they billed her first. DWTS gets less and less "D list" and is more like a B + list these days.

SO do we know if Melissa has the co-hosting gig or????

Now there will be more who go on Bachelor to move on to a career in entertainment. Before he was a pilot I read Jake had wanted to be an actor. And Melissa went right from the Bach to DWTS to ET corespondant to maybe DWTS co host.

joy n said...

uh, oh! Vienna looked Chris in the eye for that conversation about the tabloids except for when she said all those stories about her were fabrications. Then she looked above him and then to the right of him. NOT agood sign.

Does Jake say they were all lies because she told him that? Hmmm...

joy n said...

Jeff Osbourn singing "On The Wings of Love". Love the song and his voice.

Sydney said...

Well, they truly look happy. If they happen to make it, then the Bachelor franchise will be resurrected for a while longer.

They are giving the people what they want -- dancing to Wings of Love and kissing LIVE!

joy n said...

The next bachelorette to be announced when they come back.

Anybody doubting that it will be Ali?

Sydney said...

ug, is it Ali?

joy n said...

And she is..........

Ali...........

Sydney said...

No doubt. She was selling herself so much on the WTA show...

joy n said...

Looks and sounds like she got over Jake pretty much.

Sydney said...

BArf-- she is trying to be likable and does not seem natural at the moment. Hope that goes away once the show starts.

joy n said...

Makes me wonder even more about whether her actions with the job thingy was an attempt at a showdown that didn't work.

joy n said...

Well, another season over. Really hopes this works out for them.

I'm a wimp for this lovey-dovey stuff.

joy n said...

I'm 63 today, Sydney. Don't feel a day over 62. Even tho I am almost.

Sydney said...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOY!!!!! What a way to end it too. Did you do anything special today? How is your husband feeling? Were you able to eat a little cake together? I hope spring is just around the corner... I'm sure you are feeling well ready for it.

Sydney said...

PS; It was my husband's b-day yesterday. Are you Mar 1 or leap year?

dla said...

Hi everyone! Well, Reality Steve called it again - Probably should have just quit while I was ahead after reading his blog after the first episode, but I am a sucker! Still don't like Vienna - never liked her from the beginning. Ali as the next B'ette is beyond predictable!! DWTS looks good this season - lots of diversity within the group of stars, and I can't wait to see who gets paired up!

I will NOT be watching the wedding next Monday -

Another Bachelor season ends... Mixed emotions about this one, and I sure wish he would have found a nicer girl. But then I wanted Trista to choose Charlie, so what do I know?!?

Happy Birthday, joy!! I hope that your day was extra special!! :)

And, Sydney, Happy Birthday to your husband!

ML said...

Yes, happy birthday Joy!

All I could think while Tenley was meeting Jake's family was how unnaturally perfect she was, and how there was no chat and get to know her, it was all dive in deep and take me into your family. It was all just too much, and yes, Jake told her on the boat it just wasn't there for him. He was trying to spare her feelings but she wasn't getting it. I think someone said before that Tenley s*^ts rainbows and I see that now. Even after he dumped her she is thanking him for all kinds of stuff both in the dumpee moment as well as months later on the ATFR show.

ABC built us up to this conclusion over the last few weeks so we would be able to accept Vienna, and believe it or not, I see it. I think Tenley would have bored Jake; she had no challenge in her. Also, Vienna is voluptuous, albeit enhanced, whereas Tenley is kinda scrawny. I never really saw any sparks with Jake and Tenley, just comfy kissing. Mostly, although I'm sure she did love Jake, I think Tenley was more in love with the idea of him- the chivalry, and what she thought was a kind of matching perfection. She was exceedingly sweet, and a bit delusional in a Pollyanna sort of way.

Finally, Ali. Hmmph. She came out there like she was a queen or something taking in her supposedly adoring fans. She looks nothing like the sweet perky girl we met week one, both inside and out. Remember this show is taped and done before the first show ever airs. Just as ABC set us up for Vienna, they also gave us the sweet cheery edit of Ali, full knowing they had to soften the blow of her nasty side so we would accept her as the bachelorette. If I do watch, it will be for the 25, or as she wants, 50 men who will no doubt parade around shirtless. At this point, I really don't care if she finds love or not.
ML

Margo said...

Happy Birthday JoyN. I wish you many more.

Margo

Nana in the NW said...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOY!!! Hope you were treated extra special. Is hubby doing better?

As for the Bachelor....I watched it and felt so bad for Tenley when Jake was rejecting her. I know he had given her hints that it wasn't there for him but she so deperately wants to find a Prince Charming. Jake and Vienna are telling everyone how much "in love" they are but what I see is "in lust". And as those of us who have been married forever know that does not make a lifelong marriage. Jakes is now moving to LA to do DWTS and I am sure Vienna will go with him, but she will get very lonely while he is practicing 8-10 hours a day. Vienna admittily likes to be spoiled and needs lots of attention....Jake won't have the time for that. I guess time will tell.........

Nana in the NW

joy n said...

Thank you all for the B-Day comments and Ecards. All made me smile.

Sydney, my birthday is March 1. My father's was Feb. 28. A belated Happy Birthday to your hubby! We went out to eat dinner at Red Lobster. Went there because we had some gift cards for there from relatives at Xmas. Lobster and shrimp. Delicious! It was the first time out )other than doctor visits and rehab) for Barry. He enjoyed it too, but it did tire him out. He bought me cupcakes so I did have cake.

Not sure if he'll be going back to work March 8 after all. His cardiologist wants him to get more rehab in. His stress tests are still kind of iffy. The doc will let us know tomorrow.

Again thank you all, Nana, Margo, ML and dla for making me feel special.

Syney, Meb, Laurie and Becky, thank you for the Ecards and email.

PDX Granny said...

Joyn ~ I popped in here to catch up on the comments I missed during the show last night, only to see that I also missed your birthday.

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!

It sounds like you had a wonderful dinner out. Lobster and shrimp! YUM!!

I'm sure even better than the dinner was that Barry was able to get out to enjoy it too.

If you work it right, and some people know just how to do it, maybe you can work it into a birthday week! : )

Sydney said...

Glad you had a great night Joy and that Barry could get out... somehow he managed to get cupcakes for you too! Wonderful.

If his doc thinks he needs to take more time to get back to his old self, I hope he can.

joy n said...

Sydney, our neighbor told him he was going to the bakery next town over and Barry asked him to pick up some cupcakes. That's the same neighbor that's shoveled for us all winter.

Cardio doc told B he can't go back to work until May 2 now. Said he needs more rehab. I knew he wasn't ready. And he's not even driving me nuts. (Yet)

joy n said...

Thank you PDXGranny, too!

Sydney said...

Now after the Monday with Jason and Molly's wedding, there is another Bachelor outtakes special on this coming Monday night.... I guess they want to milk these larger ratings for everything they have! And yes, I will be watching...

joy n said...

I wonder if this stretched-out season has something to do with Jake shortening it with those extra eliminations.

Vienna says she will be in the audience at every episode of DWTS to cheer Jake on. Great, just what we need, more Vienna.

Rochelle said...

I agree JoyN. I am finding this 20/20 special to be VERY dishy!

TerryinCA said...

Rochelle there is no way I will get to watch this.....feel free to email all the dish!

Sydney said...

Terry -- I think we covered it in e-mail,lol!

Why does it seem like there is a show on every two weeks? Weird.

Rochelle said...

the bachelorette is on already?

NOT impressed with most of the guys so far. I mean, a hunter who lives isolation? A wrestler -- she's not gonna go for those lifestyles.

Too much pink lipstick.