Sunday, July 19, 2015

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Overnight into Sunday - July 19

Will he stay off the block?

Despite last night's PoV comp, won by Vanessa, and the uncertainty it brings about, there was some fun overnight in the BB17 house. Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of Dancers and Pranksters:
  • After everybody cleaned off the paint from the PoV comp, they were summoned to the HoH room.
  • It's Have Nots again after a week's respite!
  • Jackie, Becky, John and Audrey are the unlucky ones -- none of them have been Have Nots before.
  • They get gravy with their slop, lucky devils!
  • As a punishment from the BotB comp -- John, Jason and Liz have to do song and dance routines (while wearing white) as a bad 90s boy band.
  • And, yes, they're so bad.
  • But it's funny.
  • Much better than watching Shelli cry.
  • Audrey thinks Vanessa won't use the veto and the nominations will remain the same. 
  • Of course, that goes with her hope that Jason goes home.
  • Jason thinks that Vanessa will do whatever Shelli wants her to do with it.
  • Of course, he's thinking he'll be saved and Audrey will go on the block.
  • Meanwhile, Vanessa definitely wants to use the veto to save Jason.
  • Now we just have to see if Shelli has the guts to put Audrey up.
  • Jason thinks the only "ally" he has in the house is Meg and, if he were voting between himself and Johnny Mac, he himself would vote to keep Johnny Mac.
  • Confuse you with that one?
  • No?
  • I'll have to try harder.
  • Audrey thinks that, if Vanessa does use the veto, the replacement nominee will be Steve.
  • Gosh, I hope not!
  • I personally would prefer Jackie going, but she's safe from nomination this week due to winning the BotB.
  • If I were in the house, I'd probably move to get either Audrey or Lizia out. With the latter because it's two for the price of one and that much closer to a win for me.
  • As the night waned on, James and Audrey pulled pranks with James in the trash bag in the storage room.
  • First, Audrey called in Lizia and felt she had to tell her that James had such a crush on her. Thankfully, Lizia reacted with "Oh, he's so adorable," not "That ugly little creep! I hate him!"
  • Then he made his trash bag move! She spilled her drink and everything.
  • Then he got Steve really good while Austin was in there.
  • Jackie didn't fall for it as well as the others. She didn't get close to the bag and he accidentally moved.
  • Remember kids ... trash bags are not play toys! James could suffocate!

Pranksters Audrey and James

Whackstreet Boys

Performing live in the BB House

Jus' restin' his eyes a moment

Table for one, please

Saturday, July 18, 2015

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Saturday, PoV - July 17

Meg with fruit

Here's the latest from today inside that Big Brother House of Froot Loops:
  • Clay is pushing a Jason Off the Block, Audrey Up Movement.
  • Shelli cries.
  • And cries some more.
  • Sheesh. If she didn't want to win HOH and have the responsibility, why didn't she throw it?
  • Audrey wants Jason out. Still.
  • Audrey cried.
  • Austin did not cry. At least, not that I witnessed.
  • Chelli is a bit leery of Austin, but don't think it's time for him to go. Yet.
  • Shelli cried some more.
  • After a feeds block, they had to get into white costumes for some sort of punishment from the Battle of the Block. 
  • BB doesn't allow them to have white clothes.
  • They're contradicting themselves!
  • Shelli cried some more. She and Clay (Chelli) talked about how "pissed" Vanessa is.
  • Hmm.
  • They said Shelli has to do what's best for her game.
  • Hmm.
  • Ah, it's because Shelli apparently agreed to Clay's wish of putting Audrey as a backdoor.
  • Commence waffling now.
  • "If you don't do it, I'll do it next week," says Clay ... as if he actually wins anything ever.
  • Playing for veto are Lizia, John and Jason along with Meg, Vanessa and James. Steve is hosting.
  • Before the feeds were cut for the PoV comp, Shelli was still waffling over the Audrey backdoor. She called it a "mob mentality" going after Audrey.
  • Shouldn't that be good for her own game? As in no one other than Audrey would be upset?
  • Finally, the feeds are back after the comp.
  • Vanessa won the Power of Veto! And, it was messy. It sounds like the blowing up bombs and get paint all over you redone.

Lizia, actually Julia right now

Are we boring you, Austin?

Waiting on a comp

I think it's Johnny Mac

Cleaning up after PoV comp

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Overnight into Saturday - July 18

Oh my, Audrey

So, after the Battle of the Block was done and over with, Shelli remains HoH and Jason/Johnny Mac remain on the block. Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of Talk Talk:
  • I'm not sure if Johnny Mac threw it or not -- Clay told him to, Shelli told him he could play to win.
  • I don't think Shelli wanted to be in the position of power again.
  • She hates deciding things.
  • Plus, she has Clay telling her to do things which are Clay's things he wants to do, not necessarily what she wants.
  • Gee, if Clay wants to be HoH, why doesn't he win it? Win something. Make himself useful instead of ornamental!
  • Audrey cried. She's sure she's in danger.
  • I guess it must be time for her to plant more seeds of insecurity!
  • Clay told her not to worry, she's safe.
  • I'm so happy he's HoH again this week! He's my hero!
  • Gag.
  • Shelli herself (remember Shelli? the actual HoH?) told Vanessa that she trusts Johnny Mac and tried to convince her to do the same.
  • There was a very brief power outage there. Not sure what that was all about. But it made them panic for a moment!
  • Clay keeps pushing Shelli to backdoor Audrey.
  • Wait.
  • Isn't he the one who's been reassuring Audrey that she's safe?
  • The two mysterious hinky votes speculation saga continues.
  • Audrey cries some more.
  • Jason, demanding HoH talk time, pretty much kicked Audrey out of the HoH room so he could plead his case.
  • His personal targets are Audrey, Steve and Austin.
  • He thinks he needs to come off the block instead of Johnny Mac because he's in more danger of going home.
  • Well, yeah. That was the original plan!
  • (That he would go home and Johnny Mac would remain in the house.)
  • He also made a case for getting Lizia out before the twin enters to play -- an additional person would make it to the jury.
  • Shelli was receptive to the Jason pleadings. She told him she would put someone who's more likely to go home next to him if he remains on the block.
  • Now, who could that be?
  • Audrey started planting anti-Austin seeds with Shelli.
  • Hmm.

Rabid Steve?

Making Austin jealous?

Gonna have to scramble

SO TIRED OF CLAY BEING THERE!

Becky who?

Who's that new dude?

Friday, July 17, 2015

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Battle of the Block Bulletin - July 17

Jackie and James won the Battle of the Block. Liz is dethroned. Shelli (or, Chelli) remains the HoH with John and Jason on the block.

It was very messy. Jackie threw up. It was smelly, too.

There ya go.

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Friday Daytime, Nominations - July 17

James is in the bag

Here's today's happenings from inside that Big Brother House of Not Chelli All Week AGAIN:
  • Audrey wants Jason out.
  • Audrey and James get along well. She is giving him advice.
  • Um.
  • I'm not sure how great any BB advice from her is.
  • She suggested he could hide in a trash bag and eavesdrop.
  • He fits, but hasn't put it in practice.
  • The nomination thoughts, arguments for and against, suggestions and such kept up practically until time for Nominations!
  • Oy. What an indecisive bunch of HoH crowd -- Chelli, Liztin and somehow, Vanessa.
  • Clay, "How about putting Johnny Mac up and asking him to throw it again?"
  • How many times can they do that to the guy?!?!?!
  • They basically want either Jason (1) out or James (2).
  • A Backdoor Becky plan was made and discarded.
  • Whatever happens, Meg would be a replacement nominee if someone used the PoV.
  • I'm glad they figured that out before they even decided who would be on the block!
  • Sigh. Johnny Mac agrees to be up as a pawn and throw it again. If nothing else, they guy will hold the record for pawning and throwing and (hopefully) saving himself by winning the PoV!
  • In the end, Shelli nominated John and Jason while Liz nominated Jackie and James.
  • All J names, you notice. And, of course, two J names are gone already -- Jace and Jeff.
  • I call discrimination!
  • That said, out of the bunch, I'd have no objections if JACKIE went. Out of the four, she'd be my choice for the boot. I don't like having a non-BB fan playing in the house using my name.
  • So there.
  • Shelli told John he doesn't have to throw it -- he can compete.
  • Audrey continues to trashtalk about Jason (her personal target) despite the fact that they had supposedly mended fences.
  • She's also on a trashtalk Steve kick.
  • She needs to stop that.
  • John told Shelli that both Steve and Audrey separately approached him for final two deals.
  • Audrey seems to be trying to make others look bad because she's probably once again paranoid that she's a target.
  • We've seen that before.
  • Audrey cried to Shelli because she thinks Jason and John will win and Liz will put her up.
  • Lizia is Julia until Monday.
  • As I post this, they're doing the Battle of the Block and the live feeds are blocked.
  • When I know, you'll know.

Why? Is the sun too bright inside?

Pawn again? Throw again?

Not Shelli's best look

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Overnight into Friday - July 17

Just a wee bit possessive

Shelli and Liz weren't really people I wanted to win the dual HOHship. It means more of Chelli hanging all over each other and now, Liztin. Here's the latest late night happenings from inside that Big Brother House of BOB Needs to be Evicted:
  • The stress must be getting to Jason. I see developing acne on his cheeks.
  • He should be stressed. It's very likely he'll be on the block once again.
  • The four votes to keep Jeff has 'em all in a tizzy. They expected two votes -- John and Jackie.
  • But who are the other two?!?!?!
  • "Someone lied to me!," screamed Vanessa.
  • Audrey is a definite suspect.
  • Steve is a suspect.
  • Becky is a suspect.
  • Liz is NOT a suspect.
  • I have to laugh how they all assume there's an America's Player.
  • They're so worried about that that they're building their whole game around it and it doesn't exist!
  • Sure, down the line I wouldn't put it past Allison Grodner to replay that old hand. But, as of now, there is no America's Players you silly hamsters!
  • Steve is throwing his game into play -- between his hinky vote stirring things up and his innocent lost act with Shelli, he's workin' it.
  • Of course, Liz and Austin might be his stumbling block.
  • They're thinking that people who haven't been Have Nots before should do it this week.
  • Vanessa is pretty sure Steve was one of the hinky votes. But Steve is working his way into Shelli's good graces. So that might not matter.
  • They whined about needing more food ... and, but of course, alcohol.
  • Oh, wait! Now Vanessa is sure it wasn't Steve with the vote! It was Becky! (Of course, that still accounts for three votes, not four. D'oh.)
  • But Audrey is sure it was Steve!
  • Now, this is the first week that Audrey has not been the hinky vote. Every week, they're sure she's doing it.
  • And on the Big Vote Debate went ...
  • No way will Liz tell. No way will Steve tell. It shall remain one of the great mysteries of all time.
  • Meg's name has been thrown in with the suspects, as well.
  • Heh. Good going Steve and Liz (although they most certainly did not conspire).
  • Vanessa, who admits to being a gambler to them, said Becky has to be the hinky vote. She also says that Johnny Mac has no strategy.
  • Wrong on both counts.
  • Even Clay has picked up that John knows when to talk and when to remain quiet. Nothing ever gets back to anyone about stuff Johnny Mac has said.
  • But I still neither like nor respect Clay myself.
  • In the HoH room reveal, Shelli got a letter from her dog.
  • I have no words.
  • But, apparently her dog has words.
  • At this point, it's very unsure who will be going on the block.
  • It is clear that Audrey is NOT a target once again.
  • It's looking rather dismal for Jason.
  • Meg, Jackie and Becky are on the peripheral of the group, too.
  • I guess we'll see.

HoH Room "excitement"

Safe for another week?

"I have no real target this week."

Steve, endearing himself to Shelli

This isn't fun

Unpacking and hoping to stay

Hmm, what to do, what to do

Thursday, July 16, 2015

Big Brother 17: Live Eviction and HoH Comp Show Blog Party - July 16

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Good evening! Ready for a blog party?

But, first, here's the latest on the blog pool --
Audrey - David, Chase, Orkmommy, Nicole K
Austin - Petals, Tammy, marthalight, Dr_Celine
Becky - Glenn, Jackie, Indiana Jane, Brian
Clay - FairieGoddess0714, QuixoticElf, DonnaNY, JonMD1267
James - uncartie, Marlo, Jackie~juju, ML
Jason - Witt, Sharon, WolfpackRed
John - Sasha, lynn1, clover
Liz - Skyriverblue, jo Chapman, monty924
Meg - Sharon S, Merrilee, MikesGirl
Shelli - Delee, Sharon N, chrob
Steve - KelseyNY, Carrie, K
Vanessa - Chacha, Heather Reyes, T-Town Chick
EVICTED:
Jace - Becky in TX, CherylinNC, JOKATS, CaelaXO
Da'Vonne - jessica UNderwood, SueGee, Ed in Ohio, Nickelpeed

As the show airs here on the East Coast, I'll update this entry with the major happenings. Refresh the page to get the latest. As always, the real party is in the comments area. I hope to see you there!

Let's get this party started!

Julie wonders if Jeff can talk himself to safety. Heh. Jeff says he won't go down without a fight and commences his battle to stay in. Jason is ticked that Audrey isn't on the block. James thinks Jeff is the target, not him. (He doesn't tell Jeff that.) Clay and Jason think James is more trustworthy; Meg is in a quandary. Jeff cries to Shelli. Onto Jackie now. He's talking to one after another (in editing).

Uh-oh. An "emerging love triangle." The twins are trying to match. Liz tells Julie that Jeff must go home. Austin thinks he has a great relationship with both twins, but is especially close with Liz. (Yes, the twins are common knowledge with the hamsters, but both can't actually play in the house until after the fifth eviction.) Meanwhile, Jeff tries to campaign and flirt with Liz. Austin catches them under covers and gets all testosterone-y. The editing of the show so far is leaning towards Jeff staying. I personally think he will go. The vote should be after the commercial break.

The pleas to stay:
James -- Sorry me and you, Jeff. Love all of you, smile. Please vote to keep me.
Jeff -- Did not see it coming, love you all. Vote for you only. At the end of the day.
GAH. ATEOTD!

The votes to evict:
Jackie - James
Austin - Jeff
John - James
Meg - Jeff
Onto commercial ...
Clay - Jeff
Shelli - Jeff
Steve - James
Liz - James
Jason - Jeff
Becky - Jeff
Audrey - Jeff

By a vote of 7 to 4, Jeff is evicted.

Whoa, Julie says Jackie is a floater! Heh.

HoH Comp time. Going back in time -- 90s week, set of 1994 music video 'Bustin' Moves.' They'll watch dance "videos" -- the videos are live dancers -- and be asked true or false questions.

James, Jason, Clay and Steve out.
Meg and Austin out.

Liz and Shelli are the only ones to get the third question right. They're the new HoH duo.

Julie fills time asking questions.

She tells us the 90s will continue all week, but no BB Takeover in so many words. It seems they misjudged the timing on the live show tonight. The dancers came out twice and the hamsters answered the questions from Julie.

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Overnight into Thursday - July 16

I liked him better before I knew him

Ah, it's the dawn of eviction day in the hamster house today. That always brings new life to the live feeds! Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of Not So Jazzy Jeff:
  • Austin told James he should campaign more as Jeff is definitely campaigning.
  • James claims he doesn't want to throw Jeff under the bus, but he's heard Jeff has been doing that to him.
  • Initially, James and Jeff were close buddies.
  • But it's hard to stay friends when you're both nominated for eviction.
  • BB gave them more alcohol.
  • It always gets me that the amount of alcohol given is so little compared to the number of people in the house. I can't see why they get so excited. 
  • Meg, Jason, Audrey and Shelli decided to put on a musical sketch.
  • Ack. Now I'll have nightmares about Frankie!
  • Jeff told Jackie that if he stays, he'll go after Vanessa.
  • Well, duh. That should go without saying. And, that's also Vanessa's fear and why she so wants him to go at this point.
  • Steve made a two week safety deal with James in exchange for his vote to save him.
  • Rumors about Audrey being America's Player continue to run rampant through the house.
  • Why do they think someone MUST be America's Player every darn season? More often than not, no one is America's Player.
  • And, certainly not a group of America's Players ... that's been going around the house, too.
  • Silly paranoid hamsters.
  • Jeff apparently is in no fear that Jackie will run back to Austin and Vanessa to tell them all the trashtalking he's doing about them.
  • Perhaps he should worry.
  • Jackie isn't in his corner.
  • But he thinks she is.
  • She was at one time. But she needs to look out for her own game.
  • And, he's not in her plans if he's out with the in crowd.
  • Meg told Chelli that she actually trusts Jeff more on a personal level than she does James, but knows he's going to go.
  • In other words, she'll probably do a sheeple vote even though she personally would keep Jeff.
  • Austin is worrying that Clay might have switched and may be on Jeff's side now. Before, Clay was reporting every wrong move Jeff made to him. Now, not so much.
  • Hmm.
  • Oh noes ... say it ain't so. Jeff outright CRIED to Shelli. Like tears and all.
  • @@
  • Now, that's pulling out all the cards.
  • I doubt it will save his butt, though.
  • We'll see tonight!

At least he can't pick shoulder pimples

It makes him taller!

Jeff/Jackie talk time

Shades of Frankie. Ew.

Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds into Wednesday Evening - July 15

Jeff's no bro of mine!

Jeff's been telling a spool of lies and getting caught up in each and every one of them. Jeff is the new Audrey. (Although Audrey is back to her instigating bit by bit herself.) Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of The Loquacious HOH Lassie:
  • Vanessa clued Austin in on a tale Audrey told that she (Audrey) is in an alliance with Chelli.
  • Truth or fiction?
  • After all, Audrey has started planting those seeds once again.
  • Austin went into a long talk about his Masters degree and claimed he's never been able to get close to anyone (such as a woman in a relationship).
  • Now, the Masters bit might be real. But didn't he say he had the love of his life at home waiting? 
  • He wasn't wearing his Judas hat.
  • Austin told her that his strategy was to eliminate all the guys.
  • Huh. I thought it was Jason who wanted to work with the girls!
  • Shelli thinks her name is being thrown around.
  • Well, yeah. It is. It should be!
  • More than one person is leery of the Chelli duo remaining intact.
  • Plus, you've got Audrey claiming an alliance with Chelli.
  • The Boy Toy just might be Shelli's death knell in the house.
  • Eventually.
  • It has now dawned on Austin and Vanessa that they probably can't rely on or trust Audrey.
  • D'oh!
  • Once again, they're thinking Audrey is America's Player.
  • We ain't got no steenkin' player in this Habitrail! Sheesh.
  • Now they have doubts about Chelli, too.
  • They know that John will be voting to keep Jeff. They thought Becky would.
  • But, Becky talked with Vanessa about all the lies Jeff has told and said she'd be voting for him to go.
  • Shelli told Vanessa and Clay that the Diary Room was giving her subtle hints to keep Jeff.
  • Hmm.
  • Despite Jeff's campaigning and (perhaps) Diary Room hinting, it looks like Jeff will be out tomorrow.
  • He's burnt too many bridges.
Home alone? Nope.

Pooped out party animals

Look! Her mouth is closed!

Is Steve working a strategy?

Jeff lies and I know it

What? Is the thrill gone?

Is he Judas now?

Big Brother 17: PoV Episode Blog Party - July 15

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Good evening! Ready for a blog party? Although the live feed observers already know, tonight's show will focus on the Power of Veto comp and renom (if any). Will John and James remain on the block? I guess we'll see! (Even though many of us know, but that's beside the point.)

As the show airs here on the East Coast, I'll update this entry with the major happenings. Refresh the page to get the latest. As always, the real party is in the comments area. I hope to see you there!

Gee, the show is starting off with a recap. That's new and different.

Or not. The only new bit is a note read that says every time Gronk calls them to a party, they must go.

Vanessa wants Jeff or James gone even though it's John and James on the block. James thinks Audrey is the backdoor target. Vanessa is leaning towards James going home (at least that's the editing).

Liz advises Julia to cover her tooth. She has a crown that has already been noticed by Johnny Mac, the dentist.

Austin leads Jeff into thinking that Audrey is the target.

Time to pick players for the Veto comp! Vanessa gets Shelli, John gets Houseguest's Choice and goes with Austin. James gets Audrey. The show is being edited to make viewers believe Vanessa's target is James and she doesn't want the noms changed. That is so not the case. She's been after Jeff from the get-go as an alternate.

The Veto Comp is a Vegas Party set up. They have head-to-head Gronk and Roll Party inside giant dice and have to have the correct number showing on top. It's similar to a past comp, but can't remember it it was just last season or the season before.

Vanessa goes against Audrey. Vanessa throws the first round to Audrey.

John goes against Audrey. John wins the round.

James against Austin. Austin wins.

Shelli versus Austin. Austin wins.

The final match-up is Austin against Johnny Mac. WOOT! Johnny Mac wins the Power of Veto!

Vanessa fusses at Austin for losing, saying he threw the comp and just wants to get Jeff out while she wanted the least amount of blood on her hands by ousting James.

If they don't show up for a Gronk Party they will be a Have Not next. The Gronk Parties start with a toga party. Pool party, shower party, and so on. They tire of partying.

Jeff goes to talk to Vanessa and pushes the Audrey card to her. She mentions she has the opportunity to take out his buddy James. Jeff gets James, Jason and Clay and tells them the plan is to get out James and not backdoor Audrey. Jason sees right through Austin's denial that he knows about it. Jeff trash talks Austin to Clay who runs to Austin to tell.

Austin runs and tells Vanessa and Audrey that Jeff is throwing him under the bus.

Vanessa confronts Jeff. He lies to her. She goes off on him and says she'll put his butt on the block.

Gronk gives them the chance to win a cruise with him. The winners of comps from the week get to participate in a luxury comp. They have to drink a drink. Meg wins!

Veto meeting time. John, of course, saves himself. Whoops, Gronk party time! Jeff goes on the block.

Big Brother 17: Live Feeds Overnight into Wednesday - July 15

Pretty, I'm so pretty

Yeah, yeah. I know this live feeds update is very late. Dock my check if need be. Oh, wait. What check? (Of course, if you feel compelled, I do have a Paypal Donate link in the sidebar!) Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of At The End Of The Day:
  • Audrey tried to convince Shelli that James is better in the game than is Clay. To Clay, "Calling you stupid would be doing you a favor."
  • Heh.
  • Jeff fussed about his lack of Diary Room time.
  • That's because we just don't want to see him pick his shoulder pimples.
  • Audrey wants everyone to act like they're in a Disney musical.
  • Um. Wait. If it becomes Big Brother the Musical, our feeds will be forever blocked.
  • "Stop that, Audrey."
  • Steve's awkward act (if it is indeed an act, which I think a lot of it is) is catching on and people are thinking of ways to "use" him for their benefit.
  • Hopefully, it's to HIS benefit. 
  • It's already shown that he's gone from target to somebody that will probably be in the house safe for some time to come.
  • Jason says that part of the reason he felt he had to come on the show was because he hated Frankie Grande so much.
  • What happened to his childhood dream of being in the house that he mentioned before?
  • But, it's okay to hate Frankie. I don't hate him, but I certainly was very annoyed at him all last summer.
  • James is starting to crush a bit on Audrey. He thinks she's the prettiest girl in the house.
  • I think she might be, as well.
  • It has suddenly dawned on Jeff that he can't trust those whom he thought he were friends.
  • Well, duh.
  • Steve thinks they (Vanessa included) should somehow stop the Austin/Liz showmance.
  • Steve has previously voiced thoughts of breaking up Chelli. He knows that the couples bond can be deadly for others in the house. He's seen it time and time again.
  • I was surprised that I actually had interest in a very long discussion with Jackie, Jeff and Steve in the backyard.
  • Now, had Jeff been that mellow, honest and quasi-intelligent all along, he wouldn't be going home this week.
  • I think Steve soaked in all the insight and, hopefully, it might give him more game in the game.
  • Jackie and Jeff talked about a lot of the behind the scenes stuff from TAR (apparently they're allowed to talk about production in TAR, just not BB). As a show fan and blogger, I found it quite interesting.
  • Jason rejoined the talk and they kept it up until dawn there.
  • They all eventually went to bed.
  • As did I.
  • Jeff has resigned that he'll most likely be going home tomorrow.

I've made mistakes

Time to himself

Cozying up?

Jackie, Jeff and Steve talk