Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Big Brother 11 Live Feeds Into Dawn Wednesday 8/12


Natalie is spouting off Biblical references to marriage to a captive audience -- Lydia and Kevin. Okaay ...


Is it that cold in the house that everyone keeps wearing hoods, hats, and wrapping themselves in comforters? I do welcome the fact that most aren't really exhibitionists this season (cough, Jessie, cough). But it's like the house is kept at 60 degrees or something.

Here's what's been happening in that Big Brother House of Paranoid Pups:
  • Chima continues to focus on getting Russell out of the house. She admits that it's personal, but claims it's a strategical move, too.
  • I can see that. However, the real power teams are Jessie and Natalie, Jeff and Jordan, and to a lesser extent -- Lydia and Kevin. If I were a single player in the house, I'd be trying to break up a duo.
  • Michele said they aren't allowed to name the rats at her lab. I guess that would make them too much like pets before they torture them.
  • They complained about being bored.
  • Bad Jeff. He drank some Gatorade and ended up be punished with an extra day of slop.
  • Jordan trimmed Jeff's hair. He now has a bitty bald spot in the back. He tried to touch up the trim.
  • They played with the modeling clay. Woohoo.
  • Russell said that Chima complained in the first week that she was cast on the wrong show. She felt she should have made America's Top Model. (Isn't she too teensy for that one?) He thinks she should be on Discovery Channel as a chia pet. Okay, that made me smile.
  • Jessie is forlorn because he can't grow facial hair.
  • Lydia worked on Jeff for his favor. Russell worked on him, too.
  • Poor Jeff.
  • Chima thinks Michele is really playing the game. If she is, I think she's playing it poorly. She's way too transparent.
  • Natalie wants Michele out before Jeff. So much for the girls alliance, eh?
  • Kevin seriously thinks Michele might have the wizard power ... and it scares him.
  • I think the world at large scares Kevin.
  • Natalie and Jessie kept snapping at each other while wrestling about. But I think it's not serious -- it's more like a boy and his dog. His pit bull, to be precise. Chima got ticked at them, though.
  • They talked more about being bored. They came up with questions and answers to occupy themselves.
  • I found it all boring.
  • As I get this typed up, Natalie, Jessie, Lydia, and Kevin are still wide awake. Natalie denied (almost a bit too strongly) that she is, ever will be, or ever has had a sexual relationship with a woman.
  • Then Lydia attacked Natalie to wrestle, possibly kiss, while Jessie and Kevin watched.
  • They fell off the bed wrestling.
  • Okay.
  • Now Natalie is talking about her NSYNC posters and stuffed animals of teen years. I can't take this anymore.
  • Posting ...

95 comments:

Joe in NY said...

Actually, the CD'E appears to have killed the amusement of the House rather than aiding it. Much as I would have expected. As I posted earlier, they should be able to disclose the power (if they want) which would allow for more horse trading and less walking on egg shells.

Still believe it won't get used Thursday, which will cap a pretty boring week.

With Natalie wanting Jesse gone next, I'm not even sure they are all that dangerous. Frankly, if I'm Jeff, it might make more sense to vote out Lydia which saves Russ (his new ally) and breaks up one of the couples without raising his head to high. He should take the opportunity this week to sow as much dissension (secretly if possible) among the other alliances. From a pure power position, Lydia leaving is as good as Jessie/Natalie or Chima because it breaks up a twosome and neuters Kevin who has grown a bit too close to Chima. That still potentially leaves Russell, Michelle, and even Kevin as potentially bigger targets than Jeff and Jordan.

Keep your head down, Jeff.

IMHO

Geez, I must be tired this morning: I spelled everyone's name right.

Anonymous said...

Joe in NY, you are really stretching it now, if Jeff doesnt remove Russell from the block, Russ is out the door, Michelle, Kevin, Jess will vote to evict him, That leaves Jeff Jordan and Nasty if they voted to evict Lydia thats a tie, CHIMA will definately vote to evict Russell

JimmyB said...

Getting rid of Lydia only breaks up a weaker twosome. It still only makes sense to me for Jeff to put up Natalie and Jessie with hopes of evicting Jessie, who's still the best player in the house.

Although Russell's loyalties are questionable; Jeff might as well stick with him for now.

Anonymous said...

Off Post
WV: miciallo

Let's see if anyone can come up with a sentence with that wv.

joy n said...

Cute, Joe, on the spelling.

I still don't get your reasoning for it not being in Jeff's best interest to use the Cd'E. It seems like every scenario you paint saves and protects Jesse. You say you're not really a fan of his, but I think it might be fair to say you are a fan of his game-playing.

If Jeff's only accomplishment is to rid the house of Jesse or Nat, that seems to me to be good game play, even in the event of Jeff's likely eventual demise (so to speak) by doing it.

Jesse's long run of power began with that free HOH which IMO tainted the game from the start. This Cd'E just kind of evens things out (again IMO). Kind of like, what BB giveth, BB can take away, you know?

Getting Jesse or Nat out will bring this game back to life again.

It's so boring to have Jesse get others to do his dirty work while he reigns supreme. And to now watch him pout because things aren't quite going his way is equally boring. Your hotn'nasty Nat is IMO a better player than he ever thought of being. Jeff removing either of these two would be good gameplay just by breaking up the most powerful duo to date this season. EVEN if it's his eventual undoing and I don't necessarily believe that's a slam-dunk as you do.

Anonymous said...

I hope it is okay to mention another BB site here.
On Mortys, the first two paragraphs of today's report are very funny.
They are talking about overhearing Chima mention that production is trying to get her to promise not to 'go off' if CDE is used and Morty's take on this.

RBennie said...

From comments that Jeff made on last night's show, it seems fairly obvious to me that he is planning to use the coup d'etat and put Natalie and Jessie on the block. Of course, who knows when he actually said those things. They just showed Chima talking about her rape when she actually said it weeks ago. If and how Jeff uses the coup d'etat will determine for me whether he is a contender in this game.

Joe in NY said...

Joyn,

It makes NO sense for Jeff to use the CD'E to get rid of J/N if it doesn't prevent him from being booted from the game. He's in it to win it, not provide a public service.

As for the other suggestions about Jesse and the CD'E, you must remember when reading anything I write about the CD'E that I believe (as Dr. Will would - sorry, couldn't resist) that using the CD'E is a double-edged sword, or maybe pen, that draws a big bull's eye on your back.

Yes, I realize that Jeff would need to swing Michelle (possible) or Jessie (more possible than one might think due to his fear and paranoia). Frankly, it might be possible to sway Natalie since she hates Lydia so much and since she (Natalie) has shown herself to be willing to cast an odd vote here or there. And, yes, that is harder work than waving the wizard wand, but victory comes from making the better if harder move, not from falling back on the easy one.

Like I said earlier: Jeff using the CD'E and then being terrorized and tossed out next week would make for the best watching. From a fanboy position, I would love to watch it unfold. Chima yelling, Jordan crying, Jesse ranting, Natalie raving. So, you go Jeff, fall on that double-edged sword.

From a game play standpoint, I continue to believe that the CD'E comes with too big a target and will not advance Jeff's game as joyn herself implicitly admits when she says she'd like to see him use it even if it gets him sent home. Personally, I would like to see him use it just because it would get him sent home and create the maximum amount of drama.

I have not been advocating the non-use of the CD'E because that is what I want to see. I've been defending the non-use from a strategic standpoint amidst all of those who argue that not using it is automatically a bad move. I stand by my position that any move Dr. Will would (not) have made must at least be considered as strategically viable and perhaps strategically best.

For many of those who argue that the CD'E must be used and must be used to oust J/N, I believe your position is based less on strategic consideration and more on dislike of J/N (which is perfectly fine, by the way, since we do watch for our personal entertainment). The J/N duo appear to be disintegrating on their own. Chima has overplayed her hand as HOH (IMHO) and will herself end up getting nominated as a direct or indirect result (which is why Dr. Will threw all HOH comps.) There are a lot of strategic possibilities in the house that don't involve tossing J/N out. Why not a strategic alliance with Jesse, who increasingly seems to be a man without a country? Why not turn Natalie to oust Lydia, her sworn enemy? Why not work on Michelle who is a late addition to the Chima fold?

Jeff only needs to turn one vote to oust Lydia which, frankly, is as helpful or more helpful than ousting J/N (IMHO). And, unlike the wizard power, he could actually employ Jordan to do the dirty work and keep his head down.

Joe in NY said...

P.S. Joyn, when you called Natalie hot'n'Nasty, I got all sorts of flutters!

meb said...

Joe...you said: "...From a pure power position, Lydia leaving is as good as Jessie/Natalie or Chima because it breaks up a twosome and neuters Kevin who has grown a bit too close to Chima..."

Do you make these kinds of comments just to get a rise out of one of us. Because,that does not neuter Kevin...it would only make him stronger being able to team up with Chima totally since Lydia would then be gone.

Are you serious???

Laurie said...

*snore* I just watched last night's show and I nearly fell asleep. Again, thank heavens for the FF button on the remote.

Again, people who just watch what CBS edits and airs sure see a different show than we do!

Laurie said...

meb ... In a word, YES!

Witt said...

It REALLY surprised me that Natalie said that about Jessie. This is the same person who sulks when Jessie talks to Lydia and wouldn't make a move without consulting him. It could have just been talk, to the person she was chatting with (can't remember who)!

Laurie, you are right. People who just watch the show see a really different version. When we watched last night, DH said, "Okay, I know you know what happened already...spill!" His eyebrows really went to his hairline when I told him some of the things Chima's been saying.

Is tomorrow Unicorn Day?

Witt :)

WV: norat: Borat's younger sister.

Laurie said...

Yes, tomorrow is Unicorn Day, when they will all come in to carry Jessie away. Well, maybe Natalie but it was Jessie's vision.

I thought the way the edited the "terrorist" comments was really bad. She is a witch (no offense to real witches) with an agenda and a chip on her shoulder. If this show is an audition for her, she isn't going anywhere, IMHO.

Anonymous said...

sorry but Jeff not using the CDE is a bad move on his part. He would be letting Russell go who is his only hope besides Jordan. They would be a threesome and possibly add Lydia and be a foursome. How is that a bad move? If Russell goes, he only has Jordan and Chima has Kevin and Michele and possibly Lydia. Nat and Jess will still be and it helps Jeff zero.

Anonymous said...

sorry but Jeff not using the CDE is a bad move on his part. He would be letting Russell go who is his only hope besides Jordan. They would be a threesome and possibly add Lydia and be a foursome. How is that a bad move? If Russell goes, he only has Jordan and Chima has Kevin and Michele and possibly Lydia. Nat and Jess will still be and it helps Jeff zero.

osgoodjanet said...

New poster here, but long time reader. I to have wondered about the blankets, wraps, etc. I live a few miles from the BB house and the daily temps have averaged 100+ degrees. I can only think that it is too hot to be outside and BB keeps the inside near freezing. They seem to show the hampsters outside only in the evening or night.
Natalie needs to go...
Kevin isnt just flying under the radar, he is crawing on his belly...
Russell is a loose cannon and scares me. I used to work with a guy like that.
Rock on Jackie!

Laurie said...

osgoodjanet, welcome to posting! Loved the comment about Kevin crawling on his belly. It's so accurate and a great visual.

Joe in NY said...

Hi Meb,

By "neutering Kevin", I simply meant that his two was broken up. Yes, Chima would be a better ally than Lydia, but Kevin could not rely on Chima (just ask Russell!) in the same way he could rely on Lydia.

sizzie said...

Thanks Jackie, you make the post fun to read even when the hgs are hosting a snooze fest.

Kevin has asked some tough questions of the others. It is transparent (as you said accurately about Michelle) but he will get a conversation going and then pop the question. 'so are you going to use the power?' as he said to Michelle. she said, Yes, but first I think I'll call a meeting and ask what everything thinks of my using it. Or words to that effect. K then asked her a question about where she would like to travel and that answer led to talk about their work situations. I like that kind of talk.

Kevin and others have talked of how cold it is, how degrading physically the have not diet and sleep is and how BB continues to tell them all to be 'camera ready' when all they want to do is sleep because of the house conditions.

Laurie, I will go find a unicorn photo while wishing I coulf find one with a double saddle.

Chauncey, not Billups said...

Jeff really should use the CDE to send Jessie or Nat home because yeah, whoever is left will be pissed with him along with Chima but now Russell is still in the house with a massive size chip on his shoulder wanting revenge for them not only putting him up but really wanting him gone. So if you are Jess, Nat, or Chima and you win HOH who is more important for you to get out? At least Jeff wont "terrorize" you.

my wv: deepolyp, knock yourselves out with that one.

sizzie said...

I agreed the editing was forced with Russ and it worried me. BB knows what Jeff will do tomorrow because they keep calling him in to the DR. The editing made it look like they think Russ will go and are justifying it. They didn't show that after following Ronnie he went up to the HOH room they talked about how it was fake.

BB also didn't show the the entire bad feeling between Chima and Russ is because he rejected her advances.

Margo said...

I found a new unicorn! I tried to download last night but it wouldn't work. I got it today!

Go Unicorn - bye bye Jessie or Nat

Margo

Anonymous said...

Seems like Jeff's best move would be to use the coup d'etat and evict Jesse or Natalie. By doing so, he:

• Wins a valuable ally in Russell.

• Could win an ally in Lydia, who feels betrayed by Kevin, and to a large extent probably considers herself a free agent. The numbers would pressure Kevin and Michele to fall into line.

• Reduces a powerful but dumb enemy alliance to Chima and probably Natalie or possibly Jesse. (And Jeff having an ally in Russell would keep a key enemy, Chima, terrorized, and thus occupied and distracted from the game.)

While the larger group gets rid of Chima and Natalie or Jesse, Jeff will have time to erase any target on him, and become a quiet manipulator going forward.

meb said...

anon 12:09... I like the way you talk!!!!!!

Cha Cha said...

I don't care which one leaves tomorrow night. Jesse or Natalie.

Caroline said...

This is mostly for Joe, since he appears to be the only one not in favor of using the CD'E, but all opinions/scenarios would be great.

Let's assume that Jeff does not use the power and does not swing the vote and Russell leaves this week. If Natalie then wins HOH, who are the most likely people she'd nominate? If Jessie wins HOH who would he nominate?

Natalie has mentioned she wants Jessie out, but she'd never nominate him and I doubt she'd backdoor him this early on (even with the discussion of the girls alliance). Although she hates Lydia, from what I've read it appears she's talked about Michelle & Jeff being the next two to get out. So it seems like Natalie would be after Jeff even without him using the power.

Jesse wouldn't nominate Lydia, Kevin, Chima or Natalie it seems (not while he still had a majority voting block anyway). That only leaves Jeff, Jordan & Michelle and I feel like either way Jeff goes up with one of the girls.

So I guess my question is, if Russell goes home this week and Jeff doesn't use the power and N/J win HOH...isn't Jeff still in a whole lot of trouble?

meb said...

Judy/JKSP1957 I just read your comment on the previous post and it prompted me to click on your name. I read your profile and hope you don't mind that I've posted it here.

You said:
"I'm a survivor.. I have a very progressive form of Multiple Sclerosis. I have it, it doesn't have me. 2 kids, 2 granddaughters, 1 son in law, Who will be heading back to Iraq, for the 3rd time. God bless our troops."

You've got a lot going on Judy, and I'm sorry you're currently in the hospital. You're in my prayers, as are our troops.

I love your attitude.

Laurie said...

anon 12:09 Excellent thinking, imho, and I think it will go down exactly as you said.

Margo, love the unicorn!

Sizzle, a double-saddled unicorn is a fabulous idea!

meb said...

ooops... I forgot to say OFF TOPIC... so sue me.

lynn1 said...

I agree that Dr Will would not ever think about using the CD'E.
Jeff however is not Dr Will and has never payed like Dr Will.
He is not a sauve and savvy negotiator or manipulator like Dr Will.

Not using the CD'E may indeed be the best strategic move regardless of who has the power to use it.

INMO and only INMO I feel that comparing Jeff's game plan/game play with what Dr Will would have done or did is comparing apples and oranges.

Be it a dumb move or a smart move I believe that Jeff will elect to use the CD'E.

Judy/JKSP1957 said...

OT

MEB

Thank you Meb,it helps having Jackies to read,, Thanks for the prayers & good thoughts..

VW-YOTOR.
Chiapet YOUTOR much.

Anonymous said...

Will probably would have used the coup d'etat if (as was often the case) either he or one of his critical allies (especially Mike) were a nominee. He also might have used it to gain favor of most of the house by nominating someone who was both very threatening to himself and annoying to a large majority.

Otherwise, Will probably would avoid using the coup d'etat because (unlike Jeff) he would already have a viable long-range plan in place.

Anonymous said...

I'm with you Anon 12:09 and Caroline, Jeff needs to use the CD'E dispite what Joe in NY is saying it's seems as though he wants to live forever in the shadow of Dr. Will, I just wonder how Joe would have played if he had not seen Dr. Will play. USE THE CD'E JEFF. No one continously talk's about how Nakowmis came up with the backdoor eviction and it's been used EVER SINCE, it was used to backdoor DR. WILL, he didn't see that coming.

Joe in NY said...

Hi Caroline,

Since you asked, I'll answer. As the house population dwindles, everyone sort of pops up on the radar every week. I'm not saying Jeff is safe if he doesn't use CD'E, I just think he is less of a target than if he does. Chima et al have already shown themselves to be vindictive/hormonal people who are willing to react rather than act. They would definitely go right at Jeff. Even the more neutrals might go at Jeff if they consider the CD'E to be an unfair advantage (remember how they immediately went after Kaysar, even though they liked him, because they thought it unfair that he was readmitted to the house).

Let's look at both cases - assuming Jess or Nat wins HOH this week and Russell is gone:

1) Nat as HOH - I agree with you, she won't put up Jessie. If she was going to oust him, she'd probably backdoor him but not yet. She would (IMHO) definitely have Lydia on the block and, I would think, either Jeff or Michelle. But, I think Jeff could actually work a deal with her. A lot of this "Jeff is gone if he doesn't use CD'E" assumes that Jeff does nothing this week other than not use CD'E. He could win HOH or POV. It would actually be better for him to oust Jessie/Nat from the HOH position than from the Wizard position: no one in the house (except maybe Jeff) seems to like the Wizard power.

2) Jessie as HOH. I honestly think Jeff has nothing to fear. Jessie (IMHO) is more likely to go after Michelle or even Jordan to break up the women's alliance. With Russell gone, Jeff is the only muscle-bound meathead left in the house and Jessie is likely to feel a certain natural affinity for him. Jeff could definitely work a deal with him.

I still think the ideal play for Jeff is to save Russell by swinging the vote to Lydia (only needs one convert) which actually improves his numbers (one less from the others), keeps his hands clean, keeps his alliance with the untrustworthy Russell intact, and keeps his head down.

I think Jeff is actually smart enough to not use the CD'E. Even Jordan told him that it paints too big a target on them. But, he also thinks technotronics is a good word to spell and can't pronounce the power he has, so the jury is still out on his intelligence.

Personally, I would much rather Jordan win than Jeff. Although Hot'nNasty is my favorite eye candy...sorry Petals.

Petals, where have you been? You missed the pool party. Without your floatie, I had to sit on the sides the whole night.

Joe in NY said...

Anonymous said...
Will probably would have used the coup d'etat if (as was often the case) either he or one of his critical allies (especially Mike) were a nominee. He also might have used it to gain favor of most of the house by nominating someone who was both very threatening to himself and annoying to a large majority.

Actually, Will would only have used it if he AND Mike were a nominee - and maybe not even then. He would probably be willing to let Mike go to further his game.

You may be a newbie, but Will used to actually volunteer to go on the block. Even when on the block, he would throw the POV comps.

That boy could talk the pants off a nun.

Joe in NY said...

Anonymous said...
I'm with you Anon 12:09 and Caroline, Jeff needs to use the CD'E dispite what Joe in NY is saying it's seems as though he wants to live forever in the shadow of Dr. Will, I just wonder how Joe would have played if he had not seen Dr. Will play. USE THE CD'E JEFF. No one continously talk's about how Nakowmis came up with the backdoor eviction and it's been used EVER SINCE, it was used to backdoor DR. WILL, he didn't see that coming.

8/12/2009 1:32 PM

Actually, even before Dr. Will, I've always advocated my "Survivor strategy": appear non-threatening and remain useful. On Survivor, the tendency is to always go after the Big Targets. I've always thought that I would (easy to say, harder to do for 39 days) keep my head down and work as hard around camp as possible, while being as social as possible with everyone.

I could never actually pull off the Dr. Will strategy. And, to be honest, I never actually liked Dr. Will. I considered him smarmy and amoral. I only resorted to using him as the logical proof to long-time BB fans that non-use of the CD'E is a viable strategy for reasons I need not repeat here.

I would also assume that most of you consider the Wizard power to be unfair, but don't mind using it against Jessie and Hot'nNasty.

Joe in NY said...

P.S. Nakomis was, IMHO, the 2nd best to ever play the game. (Although, interestingly, much like Dr. Will I never liked her personally either.) I should mention her more frequently since I consider the backdoor to be the best way to eliminate strong competitors while keeping your hands relatively clean (assuming you aren't the HOH, that is).

In fact, I've actually argued for backdooring Jessie and I criticized Chima for not backdooring Russell. He came within seconds of winning POV.

Anonymous said...

Jess is absolutely NOTHING without Nasty, he doesn't have any kind of game without her because she does all of his thinking and dirt, she is just what everyone says she is a PITBULL when it comes to Jess. Jess would so align himself with Russell and Jeff, you see he really isn't campaigning so hard for Russ to leave as he did for Ronnie to stay, he wanted Ronnie in the game to protect him, so if Nasty is gone he is at a complete loss. The only person Jeff would have to worry about putting him on the block would be Nasty and she would be gone and Chima can't play for HOH.

Laurie said...

Joe said: I would also assume that most of you consider the Wizard power to be unfair, but don't mind using it against Jessie and Hot'nNasty.

Please don't assume anything about the rest of us Joe. First of all, we are all individual thinkers. Individually, many of us who are posting want one of those two gone.

Personally, I don't think it's unfair at all. I think having a previous player in the game is unfair and have stated that clearly many times.

Margo said...

I think I'm seeing a Unicorn approaching the BB house!

Anonymous said...

Joe in NY
what was unfair was to put Jesse back in the game and give him HOH as soon as he walked in, that was totally unfair. When he came in the game he was also given a clique that seemed one-sided also no one was talking about unfair that was and now since he or Nasty could possibly get evicted they want to complain about how unfair the CD'E is. Give one of them the boot PLEASE. What would have been IDEAL if this had been a double eviction week . Oh how I wish.

JohnNClaire said...

"Again, people who just watch what CBS edits and airs sure see a different show than we do!"

That's why we have Jackie and the gang. Thank God!!!

Sasha said...

OK, I just have to open my mouth here. First, I am relieved to hear someone, anyone actually say they didn't care for Dr. Will. I don't, didn't, and never will. It's an unpopular opinion but some of us have to hold it :)

Also, as to "unfair". IMHO, there is no such thing on BB. BB is not the game of fairness or for that matter, honesty, loyalty or any of those things. It is purposely set up to create chaos, drama, and bring out the worst (and occasionally but rarely...best) of human nature in human relationships. That's why it's interesting. But our usual "moral judgments" don't really apply in BB. We can assert them all we want and we can dislike or like the manipulations such as "twists" and "coups" but really, as long as no one is getting physically hurt or criminally incriminated, isn't it kind of "all's fair in love and war and BB"? IMHO IMHO

In the meantime, it's our fun here to just opine away. And I have to agree, I'm not fond of anyone assuming what I think, either, even though I thoroughly enjoy reading Joe's opinions :)

Caroline said...

Thanks for the input Joe.

For the most part I agree with your assessments, but there's just a few points for discussion.

You talked about how Jeff could work a deal with Natalie if she was HOH. But I don't understand what her motivation would be. If she still has Jessie, Chima & Kevin for sure on her side she has the votes to send home Michelle or Jeff with ease (assuming they're both on the block). If she doesn't really want to be aligned with Jessie anymore (even though she won't tell him that) why would she just want to swap out Jessie for Jeff? Wouldn't it put her in the same position but destroy some loyalty within her clique?

If Jeff uses the power and say Natalie goes home you mention that it may annoy everyone including the neutrals. But realistically (given this HOH will probably be strength or skill, since the last was questions) how good a shot do the neutrals have at winning as opposed to a team of Jeff/Russell? And even if Lydia perchance wins HOH, wouldn't she have some loyalty to Jeff for saving her when even Kevin wouldn't use the POV on her? So for Jeff, if Russell, Jordan, Lydia or himself won HOH he'd have a good shot. Chima can't play and Natalie (in this scenario) would be gone. That leaves only Jessie (who might want a guys alliance), Michelle or Kevin to worry about winning HOH.

I'm mostly just trying to play out possible scenarios. My personal opinion on the CD'E is that whether he uses it or not Jeff is kind of in the same position since as you mentioned, the numbers are dwindling and these people are all loose cannons.

Anonymous said...

Great post Caroline, Like I said before I'm with YOU and your best case scenarios.

Anonymous said...

According to Joe, "Will would only have used it [coup d'etat] if he AND Mike were a nominee - and maybe not even then. He would probably be willing to let Mike go to further his game."

It's all speculation. To me, though, Will weighed the pros and cons of any possibility. And, given the risks, he would seldom have been desperate enough to use the coup. But if the stars aligned to advance his scheme and mitigate serious risk, I think he'd have made an exception.

Witt said...

Joe, I don't consider the wizard power unfair. If Jessie or Natalie had it, I would still wait with great anticipation to see if the CDT/CDE holder would use it and what the fallout would be.

I do, however, agree with Anon 2:23. Jessie came into the house with an automatic HOH, automatic immunity, and a group (though all the houseguests had a group to start with). He had those advantages to start out with, and now is complaining that America didn't hand him another one? Puh-lease.

I loved the season when Nakomis backdoored Jase with the 6 Finger plan (was that it?). That was poetry in motion and wonderful when he left the house.

Concernedcitizen, you don't have to AGREE with Joe. I don't agree with him all the time, but he's interesting to read.

Welcome to osgoodjanet and Judy!! Judy, I will keep your son-in-law and his unit in my prayers.

Witt :)

Laurie said...

New drinking game for today.

Any mention of Will (who isn't playing this season) means a nice chugalug of the beverage of your choice.

RBennie said...

I love how you guys work out all these possible scenarios. I wish I could work up the energy to care enough about these people to try. At the risk of being stoned for agreeing with Joe, I believe many people here would feel a lot differently about the coup d'etat if it was Jessie, Natalie or Chima holding it. I readily admit that I only like the idea because somebody I like (Jeff) is the one who has the power. I would be thoroughly annoyed if any of those other three had it. As far as unfair advantages go, I think Jessie getting a do-over and coming in as HOH and Jeff getting the "wizard power" are equally unfair.

Joe in NY said...

Laurie said...
Joe said: I would also assume that most of you consider the Wizard power to be unfair, but don't mind using it against Jessie and Hot'nNasty.

Please don't assume anything about the rest of us Joe. First of all, we are all individual thinkers. Individually, many of us who are posting want one of those two gone.

Personally, I don't think it's unfair at all. I think having a previous player in the game is unfair and have stated that clearly many times.

8/12/2009 2:10 PM

I don't think it is unfair either. Of course, I also don't think Jessie being back in the house is unfair - but many disagree on the latter count but I've only heard one person weigh in on the former.

Joe in NY said...

Rbennie, I respect your honesty.

Sasha, always a pleasure to read you.

Laurie, I'm thirsty:

Dr. Will ruled the game - twice. Dr. Will loved Dr. Will almost as much as Joe hated Dr. Will. I bet Dr. Will tries to talk Dr. Will into things just to practice being a better Dr. Will.

LOL

Witt said...

RBennie, I would be thoroughly annoyed, also, if Jessie/Natalie/Chima had the power, but would still want to be courtside to see it all go down. I think that introducing that power into the game is fine. Bringing someone back after they've been in the game previously isn't fair; they already have experience to draw on, which is not the same as having watched the show at home.

Witt :)
P.S. Joe, I hope you're drinking soda if you're going to say "Dr Will" that many times!

Joe in NY said...

Caroline,

You asked why Natalie would work a deal with Jeff. My answer (IMHO IMHO IMHO) is we are a couple weeks away from Final Two Decision. You need to decide who can get you to the Final Four and who you would want to be next to in the Final Two. This is the time when most alliances fracture over those two points.

I think Natalie's references to ousting Jessie reflect her end game thinking. She doesn't want Jessie in her Final Four or Final Two. That means she is, I believe, gettable in an alliance where she can feel like she's the obvious choice in a Final Two. Jeff, Jordan, Michelle and a Lydia-less Kevin might be a dream final 4 for her: she has no respect for any of them so probably figures she's a shoe-in to win it all against them. Natalie told Chima that she needs to get rid of Jessie, I'd bet you will soon hear her tell someone that she needs to get rid of Chima.

As for HOH, you never know. Russell and Jeff would win a wrestling or boxing match against anyone else in the house, but sometimes it is a balancing thing and the smaller feet or lighter loads have an advantage.

meb said...

Joe I think you're unfair...

(wink, wink @@ just wanted to stir things up cause I'm bored).

Is it Thursday yet?

Delee said...

I side with Laurie...having J in the house and the 1st HOH in a group of 4 was unfair...plain and simple...

meb said...

I like all the unicorns, but delee your's is so pretty with all the colors.

Joe in NY said...

Witt,

Jessie was in the house for 4 weeks last time. At this point, he has no experience advantage over anyone else. Personally, it's BB, I think all is fair (Jessie and the Wizard...I'm copyrighting that for a children's show!). But I find it a little amusing that people have been complaining how unfair it was to throw Jessie into the house but are just loving Jeff with the Wizard power.

We could argue that a lot of the HGs have unfair advantages: Are all the "athletes" at an unfair advantage since 1/2 the HOH competitions are skill/endurance? Is age an unfair advantage over inexperience? Youth an advantage over age? Good looks an advantage over average looks? Hand jobs an advantage...sorry Lydia, couldn't resist.

This is not a lottery. CBS casts all of them. They put Ronnie in there not despite his peculiarities but because of them. They put Lydia in there knowing her issues because they want drama. They put Chima in their because she was a drama queen, Russell because he has an anger management issue, Jordin because she is dizzy, etc. In that sense it is unfair to the rest of the world that we aren't damaged enough to get past CBS central casting!!!

Joe in NY said...

meb,

I love you anyway. Wink! LOL

Caroline said...

Thanks Joe. I enjoy hearing your rationale behind your scenarios when they differ from mine. :-)

And assuming that Natalie is working on (covertly) sending her alliance to the jury house so she has their votes for the Final Two, then the whole house should be working to get her out. Lol, if they only knew what we know.

To weigh in on the "unfair" advantage Jessie had. My biggest complaint about it comes from the fact that a male was the returning HG for a clique that already had two males in it. Same thing with Jessica...she would have been the 3rd girl in the Popular clique if she/they had won. It would have seemed more fair if the 4th person would have evened out the genders.

But all in all, I agree with the take that Jessie getting handed HOH and Jeff getting CD'E is all fair in the game of BB and pretty much balance each other out in terms of screwing with HGs strategy.

meb said...

Paraphrasing Joe: CBS put people in for their peculiarities:

Then Joe Said: In that sense it is unfair to the rest of the world that we aren't damaged enough to get past CBS central casting!!!

meb Said: That made me laugh..

Joe Said: I find it a little amusing that people have been complaining how unfair it was to throw Jessie into the house but are just loving Jeff with the Wizard power.

meb Said: It's because we find it unfair that Jessie was thrown into the house (TH), that we feel Jeff (GG) getting the Wizard power is simply compensating for that unfairness.

Anonymous said...

Thanks everyone for posting. I so enjoy checking in to update myself and explore scenarios I haven't even considered.
SIncerely,
PQ
PS I also cannot wait for THURSDAY!

Witt said...

Joe, I'm not talking about the experience that Jessie has NOW (the 4 weeks). He had four weeks to begin with, and he and his alliance picked off the first few houseguests right off the bat. Watching this game on TV (what everyone else had to start with) and living it are two different things, and I don't agree that they all started off equally.

Also, facts being what facts are, I do like Jeff better, so OF COURSE I am enjoying that he has the power. That, however, wouldn't interfere with the fact I STILL would think it was a fair game piece if Jessie had it. I'd still want to see how it all unfolded.

Re: Lydia's advantage -- you're so bad!!! LOL

Oh well. Agree to disagree. How is your doggy?

Witt :)

Joe in NY said...

Witt,

We mostly agree, in a backwards sort of way: I'm not worried about fairness because I think both were fair; you're not worried about fairness because you think both are unfair and cancel each other out!!!

Dog is fine, although his continued fussiness with regard to food is killing me. He won't touch his normal dog food even after 36 hours of eating nothing - which is usually when I give in. Now that he's feeling better and his weight has stabilized (he had been dropping weight drastically from his thyroid medicine), I may have to just let him starve until he starts eating again. I have 180 pounds of dog food in stock that I would rather not eat myself!!

Can't wait for Thursday to be over, so we can move on to something new. Hopefully the hot'nNasty nomination of Jeff and Jordan to get even!!! Hot'nTasty

JimmyB said...

"Now Natalie is talking about her NSYNC posters and stuffed animals of teen years. I can't take this anymore."

But...Aren't these the teen years??!!

JimmyB said...

The Jessie advantage? HUGE. Dr. Will had brains and BS...and Eric, IMO, had brains and drive (an equally exceptional player-if not more so), but no one has had the advantage of Jessie.

And he ain't 1/100th as smart as those other guys.

FA (formerly formerly anon) said...

Darn, made a long post and then the site crashed and lost it.

Guess it was not meant to be, sigh.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the temp in the house? Think about the cold blooded reptiles in the house and the warm blooded peeps that hang in the yard. That explains it.

Witt said...

I don't think both are unfair, Joe:
CD'E for anyone: fair
Jessie's extra experience in the game: unfair
Those do cancel. I also am looking forward to talking about repercussions of Thursday, and other new developments! :)

Glad your doggy is feeling better. Has anyone heard any updates about MacDuff?

Witt :)

Laurie said...

Four weeks of experience in anything I can think of gives a person an advantage over someone just starting out.

Jackie said...

Witt - The cat adoption fell through. It's not happening.

monty924 said...

Oh Jackie, I'm sorry. Another little one will come along for you. I'm sure of it.

Joe, we can agree on Nakomis. She is the second best player of all time, and the best if you take out what's his name.

Laurie, love your drinking game.

lynn1 said...

Jackie,
Sorry to hear that the adoption didn't work out.
You will find the perfect fur friend soon.

Cha Cha said...

****** BB WILL NOT BE LIVE******
Got a text from bigbrotherleak saying that if you have tickets to the live show be there at 11:30.

THE SHOW WILL BE TAPED.
They are scared of what will happen with Chima's Mouth

Cha Cha said...

This is what was on Jokers


Jordan thinks they're setting up for tomorrow's HOH competition and that theyre on lockdown until tomorrow.

This could be true, because BB has asked audience members to arrive at 11:30 am, not the regular 2:30 arrival time. Perhaps tomorrow's show will be pre-recorded due to Chima's threats to "go off" on live TV.

Cha Cha said...

Jackie

you will find a new companion when not even looking.

I am sorry this one fell through.

Delee said...

NEWS FLASH This might be a first and no Live Show Thurs???? Guess we will see...

From Jokers Update: BB TIME
1:40 PM Jordan and Lydia hear people in the BY Jordan thinks they're setting up for tomorrow's HOH competition and that theyre on lockdown until tomorrow.

This could be true, because BB has asked audience members to arrive at 11:30 am, not the regular 2:30 arrival time. Perhaps tomorrow's show will be pre-recorded due to Chima's threats to "go off" on live TV.

Cha Cha said...

Delee--

You and I are on the same wavelength..

I can't believe it. I am very upset.
So now we will have feeds blocked most of the afternoon and not back on till 9 eastern?

monty924 said...

While the feeds are down tomorrow, hop on over to SS and watch Blistering's Roidboy Countdown. Remember to play the farewell video after it loads. I've watched it twice and it brings the biggest smile to my face.

A W E S O M E!!!

Susan said...

Jordan has a problem; she's still cleaning (or cleaning again).

Jessie is so obvious: cozying up to Jordan (friend, not romantic).

Anonymous said...

Jesse has to go. He is not worthy of winning this game. Ewwwwwww

I hope Jeff puts up Jesse and Natalie and then wins HOH!! That would be the BEST!!

Next week Jordon wins HOH and we're on our way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like anyone who would want Jesse to stay must be related to him! jmo

Witt said...

Jackie, I'm sorry about MacDuff. It WILL work out with another, I am certain.

POSSIBLY NO LIVE SHOW?? Would Chima really do that? ARe they that worried? Wow......

tbc said...

Yikes! They must think Chima will go ballistic!

wv: siver - Chima must be giving production "sivers" up their spines

sizzie said...

It is hot in the back yard of the house. Every one of the hgs has mentioned it at least once in the last few minutes.

Anonymous said...

Is eating the only thing Natalie does?

Anonymous said...

IMHO - Jessie was handed HOH and immunity by CBS, whereas Jeff was given the CDT by America, because he earned it with his personality and seemingly fairness toward others. So, which sems more unfair?

RyzandShyn said...

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Lydia now because it would just push Kevin and Chima closer together. Then, you'd have 3 duos,
(J&N, J&J, K&C) two of which would likely team up to a force of four.
Russ and Michele would be on the outside looking in and likely to form alliances on opposite sides, tipping the balance.
Nah, I really don't like that idea.

I think that Jeff should take advantage of the CD'E, shake things up with a Jesse/Natalie block (wishing it could be Chima instead, hope Natalie goes, and force other alliances to form.

Sally said...

I'm so sorry to hear that Dudley's adpoption fell through. Hope there are happy endings in store for you, with another feline friend, and for Dudley, with a different human companion.

RyzandShyn said...

Now that I've read through ALL the posts, I feel it's time for me to say that Dr. Will's skin as treated by Dr. Will's skin care products by Dr. Will as Dr. Will was very scary looking on that Dr. Will show that Dr. Will did after BB. Glad I didn't have HD back then.

I am though happily viewing Hardy on that phoney-boloney "Hardy's Horribly Unhappy Friends" show AKA Miami Social.

-Nancy

PlaidChick said...

Jackie, that sucks.. I was so hoping you would tell us it was a go.

Cha-Cha, thanks for posting about the show tomorrow. I got the tweet on my cell phone, and said outloud, OMG...

Paranoia will go into overdrive tonight..

Monty-- I L*O*V*E Blistering's new countdown on BB Chops. I have watched it twice, and was ROFLMAO

I really do think Jeff is going to do it, and he has to do something big even if it does put a huge target on him. He sees it as he's going home anyway so why not get one of them out when he has the chance?

All the insiders point to it happening, I think we'll be shocked if he doesn't.

I don't buy for a second Natalie wants Jessie gone. Her mood flips back and forth just like the rest of 'em.

Joe in NY said...

just had to share.

My wv is "pikemob". Swear to Jessie!!!

Anonymous said...

Wow..I am not trying to hate on any of the posts here, but seriously, how would anyone figure that not using the power would benefit Jeff...Are you kidding? Other people would use it if they had it...I think he will use it and I hope he does..There maybe people upset about him using it, but they will get over it, just like they do everything else..but HOW can you think that would be a good move not to use it? I just dont get it.....IMO, it makes so much sense to USE IT on Jessie/Natalie..(the most powerful duo in the house)

joy n said...

Joe, guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Not only on Thurs. nite but the weeks after also.

I think if Russell had won HOH and put up say, Chima and Natalie and Jessie won the Cd'E (far fetched idea, I know) Jesse would have used it. He couldn't afford to lose their votes.

Do I get any royalties on that hot'nNasty? LOL!

Laurie, I think Joe's trying to get you drunk. Keep an eye on him if he's lurking late around that pool Thurs. nite. LOL

Jackie, I'm sorry to hear things didn't work out with Dudley. Guess it wasn't meant to be after all. I'm sure the right companion will come along when the time is right for both of you.

DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL said...

To anon 7:52 p.m.

Dr. Will

DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL DR. WILL said...

To joyn,

You may have royalties: you get 100% of what I make from using the name. :)

Well, I must go to bed with dreams of hot'nNasty swimming in my head.

G'night Petals, wherever you are!