Monday, September 07, 2009

Big Brother 11 Live Feeds Into Monday Dawn 9/07


Run, Michele, run! Run as fast and as far as you can away from Natalie! Run for your life! A half million isn't worth it!

Again, there was nothing earth-shattering in the late night or overnight hours. But, nonetheless, I live to serve. Here's the latest from inside that Big Brother House of Liars and Thieves:
  • Kevin told Michele he won't commit a vote to keep either her or Jordan right now.
  • Natalie got all irked at Kevin because he had a long (and civil) talk with her arch-enemy Michele.
  • Natalie told Kevin that he should tell Jordan that Michele trash-talked about her.
  • Ew. Natalie buffed the dead skin on her feet into the hot tub with a pumice stone, then did Kevin's feet.
  • Jordan ... you know, the dumb one ... asked if it was a sanitary practice.
  • Jordan thinks America loves Natalie now due to the romance/proposal factor and because she's just so darn sweet.
  • Gag me now, please.
  • Natalie told Jordan not to ever trust Michele. Sadly, Jordan is gullible enough to believe her even though Jeff had advised her otherwise.
  • Natalie continues to suck up to Jordan.
  • She's covering all possibilities -- in with Kevin, in with Jordan ... and in the final two. She doesn't have to deal with Michele, the one likely not to fall for her lies, as Michele will be out this week.
  • Kevin is the sole vote. He would be foolish to keep Michele who could win the last comp.
  • Both Kevin and Natalie are worried that Jordan will win the 500 grand.
  • Jordan and Michele talked. Michele would like to see Natalie cry. She knows it's mean, but she's cried so many of her own tears. Jordan mentioned that she thought you had to be 21 to be on the show.
  • RED FLAG ALERT, RED FLAG ALERT
  • Sigh. Then they changed the topic.
  • As I get this posted, Natalie is the only one up. She's playing Solitaire.
  • She's probably cheating at it.

88 comments:

RJM in SC said...

Good Morning,
Just wish the age thing would click for someone, not that it would make a difference now.

Sasha said...

A big thank you, Jackie for all you do...and today, for my morning laugh. You're right, Natalie probably IS cheating at solitaire. She's probably convincing herself she's not cheating, too.

I know Michele is a strong competitor for comps but if Kevin kept her, Jordan would be gone so wouldn't Michele be more likely to choose Kevin than Natalie for F2, if it were her choice?

As I see it, the difference between Michele and Natalie...at least Michele knows it's mean to want to see Natalie cry. I doubt the lovely Natalie (gack) has a clue.

Happy Labor Day, All!

chris said...

omg
it just gets worse and worse
i think you mean natalie not jordan, jackie since if michelle were left in the house there would be no jordan to take to the final two
why doesn't kevin keep/make a deal with michelle??
wouldn't she like 50k
she and he could oust natalie if they win 2/3 comps
jordan is a waste
she has moments of clarity but they are few and far between

the entire scene, before natalie entered the secret room, and"thought" out loud seemed rehearsed
she did not seem at all excited by her BF or his proposal
kevin has to see that natalie sucked up to jordan for a vote,
now i hope it is tied 3/3 nat and kev and america takes the money from the bitch.
by the way vote michelle for amercias choice to shut up nat, ronnie etc.

lynn1 said...

Kevin really should give serious thought to keeping Michelle and sending Jordan to the JH.
He is in a position of real power. He can make a deal with Michelle and Natalie for final 2. Not that either one would hold firm to the agreement.
It should be apparent to everyone that Jordan probably will not win any more comps.
I think it has dawned on Kevin that Natalie lies about everything and she is not necessarily going to choose him in the final 2 although she tells him over and over she will.
If Kevin did choose to save Michelle it would piss Nat off big time but I am not sure she would pick Michelle to go to the final 2 with her over Kevin.
Nat might choose Jordan over Kevin though.

Karma's Biotch said...

I still think the age lie works in her favor. It's a minor lie in the scheme of things but proves she's been playing the game. She should get ALL the "game play votes" in a Final 2. She won't get any "friendship votes", but I doubt she cares. And she probably gets the "bro" vote as the last survivor of the "athlete's click". Which of those muscle heads is going to vote for the gay guy? Jeff made numerous anti-gay comments, Jessie totally dissed Kevin on his exit.

Looking good for Natalie unless Kevin decides to take a chance with Jordan in the F2 (assuming he wins HOH).

sizzie said...

I know I got got by Nat about the proposal, but I just keep thinking Jonny Fairplay. I can't see a reason Nat would have cooked up the proposal before coming into the house and that BB would go along with it. It is odd and doesnt' fit with everything else we know, though.

But, I can't see how any of it would help Nat win, so there you go. I think BB being involved in it is the oddest of all.

Can you imagine what the uproar would have been from Nat if Michelle had been HOH and got to visit with her husband for 20 minutes and Nat was spit on by a roach lady?

lynn1 said...

Sizzie, With Natalie's fear of bugs it could have been funny to see her reaction.

Margo said...

I have a question.
I seem to remember that when Nastie got her call from Dad he made mention of her BF getting a ring. So she had prior knowledge of a pending engagement. Does anyone recall this? Can I go to Jokers and find the transcript of the call?

Happy Labor Day!

Margo

mommab said...

What an evil little person Nat is. Playing the game is one thing but finding ways to be malicious is another. Did anyone else pick up on the ver strande body language of Nat with her boyfriend. She hardly wanted to go near him .

~~Silk said...

What Michelle should say to Kevin:

Think of the final three. If you win the choice, you can choose whomever you want.

If Natalie gets to choose between you and Jordan, she'll take Jordan, because Jordan had no game. Between you and me, she'll take you.

If Jordan has to choose between you and Natalie, she'll take Natalie. Between you and me, she'll take you.

If I get to choose between you and Natalie, I'll take you.

Therefore, you have a better chance of being in the final two if you keep me.

(Doesn't matter if it's a true prediction or not - it's a good argument.)

sizzie said...

silk, it is very good argument. K doesn't seem to be hearing it, though. I think he will play Ivette to Nat's Maggie, and that I will be as let down with the ending this year as I was theirs.

Margo, yes, when Nat came out of the room from talking to her dad, she was very happy to have talked to him. She said he told her that he and the bf watch the show together and the bf watches feeds, that pleased (and seemed to surprise ) her. The dad told her, she said, that the bf wanted to propose and would give her a twisty for a ring because that was a romantic gesture they both knew about (I think he dad did it when proposing to his mom...but don't really remember that part).

Then later, when the call was played on TV I think the dad said what Nat claimed he had said.

Her reaction to talking to her dad was huge, though, emotional and all.

Karma's Biotch said...

Silk,

It is not only a good argument, it's the only argument one could make. I think it is interesting that both Kevin and Natalie seem to want to take Jordan to the F2. Are they that sure that she can't win? I'm not. She won't get many gameplay votes, but she would probably get Jeff and America's for sure. That's 2. She only needs 2 more.

If it's Kevin against Jordan, I would think Jordan could win Jessie's vote and Michelle's. That would be a win for Jordan.

It it's Natalie against Jordan, I think Natalie is better positioned because she'll get Jessie's vote. But if Jordan got Michelle's vote, she'd only need to win over Russell.

Of course, I guess Michelle is risky also. She might still get Jeff and America's vote, but I don't know that she definitely gets Jeff's vote. He made the point that he got got by an 18 year old, so he seemed to be giving credit to Nat for outplaying him. But assume she did get Jeff and America, does she also get Jordan and Russell?

I guess the idea is that Jordan can't possibly win final HOH and I think Kevin and Nat have totally decided on taking each other to the F2 and taking their chance with the jury. Which, I guess, makes sense because they were in the same alliance, played the same game and it should be a tough choice for some of the jury (Jeff, Jordan, Michelle, America, Russell...which way would they go? I have NO CLUE! LOL)

chris said...

well i think this

if kevin takes credit for getting russel and jeff out by concocting and carrying out the lie he may in fact get those two votes.
kevin needs to do exactly that cause you know natalie will take credit but lay blame!
so i see jordan giving nat her vote
russell giving nat the vote
jessie giving nat her vote
and then possibly jeff since he was pissed at kevin not at natalie
so there you have it
she wins against kevin and I am sick
this is just like yvette/maggie
argh
one can only hope that michelle and jeff convince jordan that natalie was a freaking liar
and they vote kevin (egos aside jeff)
i really cant stand the thought of her winning.
kevin really should rethink his final two and either keep michelle with a deal (pissing nat off)
or take jordan
i doubt russell or jessie would give her a vote

RyzandShyn said...

Silk
It's the only argument that makes sense.
I agree that a Kevin and Michelle
F2 makes the most sense for both of them.
It's too much of a chance for Kevin to plan on Natalie taking him rather than Jordan.

How odd the whole boyfriend visit engagement thing was. It looked like bad out-takes where the actors are on the verge of laughter and are not concentrating.
I'm still scratching my head.

JimmyB said...

Any union started by a phoney, on-air proposal is absolutely doomed. Not exactly true love in my book.

Oh...and Natalie's a pig.

Donna in AL said...

It all looked staged to me too. I had thought, what if BB did that after she told them the engagement story to make it the truth? But why woud BB do that? If it would be to show she had feelings....it backfired.

Anonymous said...

I got the feeling that Nat's head was spinning the whole time she was with her bf. She wasn't really thinking about his proposal but what it all would mean to her game. She was concentrating so hard on what lies to tell about what happened that she couldn't be in the moment.

I also think that since they broke up 8 months before the show and only saw each other a few times before she went into the house (he didn't even know she was going into the house) that she's not all that happy about the proposal. There certainly didn't seem to be any chemistry between them.

Oh and I despise how BB is giving Nat such a positive edit when she is such a horrible person.

If she and her bf talked about the game (and even Nat says they did) then once again she deserves a penalty nomination. IMHO

Donna

Anonymous said...

How long after Natalie leaves the house will be get "disengaged" from her boyfriend? I say within days. His family will be thrilled if they have watched her on BB.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said:
His family will be thrilled if they have watched her on BB.

So true! Nat has already said she doesn't get along with his mother and sister - obviously they see her for what she really is.

Anonymous said...

If Kevin decides to save Michelle, Jordan would go home this week and then if Michelle wins next comp, I think she would choose Kevin over Natalie.

Kevin needs a strong partner to beat Natalie and he knows it. His only hope of winning the whole thing is Michelle

Becky

BAP said...

If Kevin is playing for 2nd place it might be worth the risk to keep Michelle. But, I don't believe either Nat or Kevin could win against her in the F2. As Jordan so wisely told both of them last night, if Michelle is in the finals she has her vote.

I think Michelle would also have Jeff's, America's and Russells. That makes game over.

I don't think any of them could beat her in the F2 at this point. JMO

DKNYNC said...

WAKE UP KEVIN!

Natalie will screw you over in a heartbeat. You have the power this week. Do what is best for you. Make a deal with Michelle then you have a 2/3 chance of making it to the final 2.

Jordan has almost no chance to win the comp but Nat has a final 2 deal with Jordan and will take Jordan to final 2 if she wins (because she believes she will beat her with the jury) and expect Kevin to take her (Nat) if Kevin wins. Nat wants you to evict Michele because that's what is best for her. THINK Kevin!

I'm always a little shocked when players make it this far and then are afraid the jury will hate them for backstabbing someone (Kevin - Natalie) they choose the wrong person to go up against and lose. I think Kevin will lose to anyone he goes up against, but still.

Seriously Kevin - you've seen the huge red warning signs - Natalie is a lying, backstabber who will do or say anything to win. Watch your back and don't say we didn't warn you.

Connie in Fl said...

Hey guys,
Just voted AGAIN on CBS.com.
Maybe it is one vote per day!

Nana from the NW said...

Good morning and happy Labor Day to all....cool, cloudy and rainy here in the NW.

My avatar--Natalie the shedevil has been carrying Kevin around on a spear....he will be feeling the pain of it all soon. I think the only way Nat. will take him to a F2 is if Jordon is her other choice.

I agree with all said about "the proposal". Nat. didn't shed one tear and couldn't wait to get out of the room and see what kind of "Horror" she had inflicted on the house. Her BF seemed truly hurt that she immediately wanted to take off the ring...because it was going to hurt her in the game...so her first thought was lying!
It seems like most people are tired of watching this....it's the same story, different day. The updates at Joker's are brief and many have quit watching the feeds.
Glad the final comp. starts on Tues. It should be endurance.

It will be very hard for these people to get their body "clocks" back to a normal schedule. That pic. of Michelle working out was taken at 12:45am! She had taken a nap until 8:30pm and then started working out at midnight. Most nights they are up until 3-4am and then taking long naps all day!

My votes for America's Choice are going to Michelle. She has played a good game, staying true to herself, and most of the time without an alliance. Jordon is cute and quite ditzy but Jeff is the reason she is still in the game. Never would I want Kevin to win....he has turned out to be a mean, cold-hearted person....wanting to cause misery to Mich and Jordon for no reason. And everyone knows why Nat. shouldn't win it!!

DKNYNC said...

If, oh it makes me sick to say this, Kevin and Nat are in the final 2 - how will jury votes go?

Jessie - Nat
Lydia - Kevin
Russell - Nat
Jeff - Nat
Michele - Kevin
Jordan - Nat
America - ? won't matter - Nat wins

Seriously Kevin needs to make a deal with Michele to get Nat out of the finals. Would he wins against Michelle?

Jessie - Kevin?
Lydia - Kevin
Russell - Michele
Jeff - Michele
Jordan - Michele
Natalie - Kevin?
America - ?

Maybe/Maybe not, but at least he will have made a bold move the jury would respect and he won't be up against Nat who will insist she was responsible for all the good moves and none of the bad.

lynn1 said...

I'm going to play the devil's advocate (no pun intended) and say if Natalie wins the final HOH comp she definitely needs to chose Kevin for final 2 and nobody else. If she kept Jordan or if Michelle was still there and she kept her, I think Kevin would sing like a canary, telling everyone in the JH house about Nat's plans and lies to get Lydia, Russell and Jeff out of the house.
I don't think that would sit well with any of them.
Natalie needs to keep Kevin by her side for the final 2 so she can throw him under the bus before he does it to her.

joy n said...

Natalie doesn't want Kevin to talk civilly to Michele because she doesn't want K to get M's vote later. Nat wants him to tell Jordan more lies for the same reason. Her #1 plan has been to keep her hands clean.

WHY don't these people SEE her transparency the way we do? Michele seems to "get it" at least somewhat more than the rest which is why she is more the target of Nat's wrath, I think.

Jordan's naivety has done her in throughout this game. I can understand why she doesn't get it. She's too nice.

Kevin, on the other hand, is wiser, but doesn't follow his gut instincts and that will probably be his downfall.

sizzie said...

Maybe it is just me being vindicational, but I would love to see America's Vote make the difference in who wins and for it to be a vote that Chima wouldn't have wanted cast.

Chima would have voted for Natalie, if N is F2. I think that would have been firm, no matter who the other one was.

joy n said...

Thanks, Connie, I just went back and voted for Michelee this time.

Karma's Biotch said...

To joyn, from the previous post,

I wouldn't necessarily belittle or intimidate people on their way out of the house. But if part of my strategy was intimidation, or just being unlikeable, possible.

I'm still not sure where Natalie the BB contestant and Natalie the real person begin and end. We may not have ever seen Natalie the real person. Everyone is quick to blame her "pathology" for the oddness of the proposal scene, but viewed the other way, the proposal scene demonstrates that Nat is ALWAYS playing. As a result, I have no idea what she would be like in the real world.

Is she mean? Maybe. Is she playing mean as part of her strategy? Maybe. It's hard to say, but impossible to know.

Russell's outbursts appeared planned. ED's outbursts appeared to be sometimes planned. Do I think that's the best way to play the game? No. But people have to pick their strategy and go with it.

Anonymous said...

So, Pandora's Box as a "game changing twist" was once again a dud for CBS and BB. Because Natalie was HOH, she didn't hesitate to do something positive for herself regardless of her promise to Kevin to play hard for POV to insure his safety or the impact it might have on the rest of the house. Surprised? I doubt it.

However, if the HOH had been Jeff with say Jordan, Natalie and Kevin still in the game the choice would have been game changing. Would Jeff have risked not playing for POV leaving Jordan's fate in her own hands like Natalie did to Kevin?

Donna

sizzie said...

At the end of the game, I always want to go back and watch the first 1 or 2 episodes, now that I know the players. I think it would be especially intereting to do because of how Natalie has played the game. She made her initial impression during that time, and that is what the rest of the house has been basing their thoughts of her on since then. I also would like to see how her relationship with Jessie came about in the house.

Anonymous said...

Jordan's just sitting around for her 750 per week. She never intended to win. Mom probably got tired of sharing her bed with her grown daughter. She is young so I won't go on and on about her screwed up priorities.

DKNYNC said...

sizzie, that would be interesting.

I do remember the first show Natalie saying she was 18 and Kevin in the diary room saying "no way is that girl 18!" sadly they have all had a million red flags about her lying that they have ignored.

I also seem to recall Natalie attaching herself to Jessie (totally starstruck) as soon as they were aligned in the athlete group and then never letting go like the pitbull she is.

and I also agree with you sizzie that hopefully America's vote will be the deciding vote and opposite of the way Chima would have voted.

DKNYNC said...
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Laurie said...

Off Topic

The Project Runway Pool can take one more swimmer. Here's who is playing now:

Pool Players:
Auntie Leigh>>Gordana
Caroline>>>>>Christopher
Delee>>>>>>>Althea
Donna>>>>>>>Qristyl
Laurie>>>>>>>Logan
Lynn1>>>>>>>Louise
Margo>>>>>>>Epperson
meb>>>>>>>>>>Irina
PDXGranny>>>>Carol Hannah
Rbennie>>>>>>Ramon
Sizzie>>>>>>>>Shirin
Sydney>>>>>>>Johnny

Available:
Nicolas

Anonymous said...

Michelle is as good as gone, so who is the opposite of a Chima vote? Jordan?

Anonymous said...

I think they mean the opposite of the person Chima would have voted for?

JimmyB said...

Natalie's real problem is that she is universally disliked. Who can she best win against in the final two?

I'd say Michele. And she's got one foot out-the-door thanks to...Natalie.

Joanie said...

Laurie,

If no one else has jumped into the deep end of the Project Runway pool, I'll take a dive.

Nana from the NW said...

I think that Kevin wasn't happy with Nat's choice of PB but since he ended up winning POV he didn't need her playing. If he had not won I believe he would be done with her and be aligning with J/M. He plays this game for personal reasons and Nat. having chose to not sacrifice PB to play POV would have pushed him to jump ship with her. But....that's all what ifs and it didn't happen....:-(

I believe Nat. is mean and cold-hearted in her real world. A person can't spend 50+days 24/7 and keep up a facade. Her mannerisms of indifference to other peoples feelings and personal safety speak volumes of who she "really" is!! Others can believe what they want but what we see is not just gameplay it's the real Natalie....IMO.

I agree about America's Vote--it would be true Karma for Chima if the votes were tied and her vote COULD HAVE made the decision...especially if AV causes Nat. to lose.

As for Jordon....she is no different than thousands of young people in America. They live at home until they can afford to be on their own. In her case, her family is very close and her mom has encouraged her to stay at home. Economic circumstances caused them to lose their house and move in with Jordon's grandparents. I would guess Jordon probably helps out financially which works for all of them.

The BB house has been told they are on a 2 day indoor lockdown!! I guess they will be well rested by the live show on Tues.

Laurie said...

Hey Joanie! Glad to have you join us in the pool. I'll add your name and we will have every designer paired with someone. Yippee!

Laurie said...

Off Topic: Project Runway Pool

Players>>>>>>Designers

Auntie Leigh>>Gordana
Caroline>>>>>Christopher
Delee>>>>>>>Althea
Donna>>>>>>>Qristyl
Joanie>>>>>>Nicolas
Laurie>>>>>>>Logan
Lynn1>>>>>>>Louise
Margo>>>>>>>Epperson
meb>>>>>>>>>>Irina
PDXGranny>>>>Carol Hannah
Rbennie>>>>>>Ramon
Sizzie>>>>>>>>Shirin
Sydney>>>>>>>Johnny

Project Runway Discussion Group

Thanks again to Jackie for setting this up for us.

Margo said...
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Margo said...

**OT SURVIVOR POOL**

This is who I have so far for the Survivor pool. I will post the other pools later.

Survivor pool

Margo --- Monty924
Becky --- Lynn1
Laurie --- Joanie
Sydney --- Lars
RBennie --- Joe in NY
Nana in NW --- Gaylos
Auntie Leigh --- Laura in Miss
Donna in Al --- Lisanne
Terry in CA --- ChicMc
PDX Granny --- Donna in FL
Sizzie --- Estelle
Delee --- Caroline
Jennasmom
Meb

If anyone else wants to participate I'll be collecting names until noon CST on Sept 15.

Margo

sizzie said...

I went to youtube and watched the first part of Episode one. It had the intro to the hgs, with scenes of them finding their key and also a little blurb about how well they will play.

When they have all assembled on the front steps of the house they have been told they cannot speak to each other until inside. Julie then says to them, look to the person in front of you..that might be your new best friend. Look tot he person in back of you, that person might stab you in the back. The usual intro type speech, I think. What made me laugh is that Kevin is standing in front of Natalie.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe Nat will be in the final 3! She is such a nasty person that to think she could win the money is unbelieveable. I can't even imagine how "proud" her family and friends are to see her on tv. Hopefully this is an act because if it's not and this is really who she is ..... If I hear her try to make it true by saying she's "kept her word in this game" one more time, I'll scream. She by far has been the most mean, nasty and unlikeable contestent in big brother history. She's so unlikeable, you can't even set that aside to respect her game play.

Anonymous said...

A big thank you to all who are still watching the feeds. I don't think I could do it with Natalie still there. I don't think even she knows where her lies and the truth meet together. She is really acting like she's believing her own lies. Her unemotional meeting with her boyfriend and proposal should tell us everything about Natalie.

DKNYNC said...

I just watched their introductions to each other (and production definitely did Nat's hair and make-up since she looked nice for the first and only time in the house)

Natalie introduced herself and said she was 18 and the whole house was like omg! what? no way? Ronnie said "I think you're the youngest contestant ever" Kevin said" Umm, Natalie we can talk later about your real age...ummmm..cause please" then in the diary room he said "I was like 18?, you look like you're 25, like stop, you're trying to pull something, something's wrong" So it really is unbelievable that no one ever outed her about her real age.

Anonymous said...

Kev acts like it's no big deal that Nat put him on the block and chose not to play for veto by opening the door. He should see she was trying to get him out, which I think she was seriously considering it.
I just don't see any reason for him to stay loyal to her. He talks in DR as if he is ready to turn on the biznatch but he isn't going to.

Anonymous said...

Kev acts like it's no big deal that Nat put him on the block and chose not to play for veto by opening the door. He should see she was trying to get him out, which I think she was seriously considering it.
I just don't see any reason for him to stay loyal to her. He talks in DR as if he is ready to turn on the biznatch but he isn't going to.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that Pandora's Box isn't over? Could there be yet another part? I just keep hoping there is some hope for Michele, wishful thinking, I know.

Laurie said...

anon 6:17 I'm afraid it is only wishful thinking, but I join you in wishing there was something that could help Michelle.

Karma's Biotch said...

I don't know why anyone feels sorry for Michelle. She chose her side and her side lost. After the CD'E, when she won HOH, she had the chance to stick with Chima, go with Jeff or straddle the line. She chose unequivocally to side with Jeff. I knew everyone hates Kevin/Natalie, but Michelle is not a victim of circumstances, she is the victim of her own choices and I don't have any sympathy for her.

As for Natalie's age, a lot of them seem to know or think they know, I just don't think any of them think it is that important. That's why they keep dropping it. Jordan's like "Don't you have to be 21 to play?" then drops it because, frankly, who would really expect her to lie about her age. It is sort of a brilliant lie: it's irrelevant! It's like a motiveless crime.

And, frankly, I honestly think Kevin believes he has a better chance against Natalie than Jordan or Michelle. It's probably kind of close. Kevin has more blood on his hands than Natalie. Jordan was very well liked. At least in Natalie's case, he can share the blood and maybe split the jury. I have no good idea who would win in any of the possible final twosomes, it seems that close to me all around. Frankly, the only thing I know for sure: Jeff would vote for Jordan, Jessie would vote for Natalie, Lydia would vote for Kevin. Beyond that...expect the unexpected!

Witt said...

Margo, I've been away for the last weekend of summer...have you published the DWTS pool? If not I'd love to go on it!
Thanks!

Witt :)
P.S. I hope Kevin throws Nat under the bus and goes with Michele! I'd be happy with either of them winning. Now he has to do some Oscar worthy acting and GO WITH IT!

Witt said...

Joe (or, Karma's Biotch -- can't keep up with all your aka's!) -- Jordan was very well liked, but it was no secret she made no moves in the game. Players tend to reward others that played the game, not necessarily someone they liked. Kevin would win in a walk with Jordan, I think.

Witt :)

Margo said...

Star light, star bright,
The first star I see tonight;
I wish I may, I wish I might,
Have the wish I wish tonight

I wish Natalie would GO HOME!

Karma's Biotch said...

Witt said...
Joe (or, Karma's Biotch -- can't keep up with all your aka's!) -- Jordan was very well liked, but it was no secret she made no moves in the game. Players tend to reward others that played the game, not necessarily someone they liked. Kevin would win in a walk with Jordan, I think.

Witt :)

9/07/2009 7:42 PM

Hi Witt,

I somewhat agree, BUT they also feel sorry for poor people (remember the Survivor year when the first thing they did was vote off the dentist because they said he had too much money already, and the all-stars when they went after previous winners first because they didn't need the money) and Jordan's made no bones about needing the money for her mother. And, depending on who she's up against, she picks up all the NOT-THAT-GUY/GAL votes.

By my count, Jordan against Kevin or Natalie gets Jeff's vote and America's vote. She only needs 2 more votes and she could pick up Russell or Michelle or even Lydia if she's up against Natalie.

IMHO in a Kevin vs. Jordan showdown, it could well be:

Jessie - might go Jordan, dissed Kevin at his farewell.
Natalie - Kevin
Jeff - Jordan
Lydia - Kevin
America - Jordan

Russell/Michelle-??? I'm really not sure, but by my count she only needs 1 of them to win.

Karma's Biotch said...

P.S. Heck, Russell might vote for Jordan just to thank her for the boob thwack!

ChicMc said...

Natalie is the alpha male of the house now, so of course the macho men will vote for her in the final 2.

That gives her Jessie, Russell, & Jeff.

Please don't let her be in the final 2.

Nana from the NW said...

I am continously amazed at how Kevin is allowing Nat. to dictate his every move. He has now agreed to throw the endurance part of the HOH comp.(which will happen tomorrow)and let Nat. win. That way he can be the one to best her in Part 2!! Once again, no blood on Nats. hands. It would be damn funny if he dropped out and then Jordon won it!! That would pit Nat. and Kevin in Part 2.
DUMB, DUMB.........

Billy Brown said...

Karma's Biotch said...

P.S. Heck, Russell might vote for Jordan just to thank her for the boob thwack!

Haha thanks Joe I needed a laugh! I am always shocked watching that scene that Russel doesn't go flying a good 5 feet upon impact.

Anonymous said...

I am amazed that biznatch and her fans always go to the lowest common denominator. Let the boredom begin natch fans.

sizzie said...

There is so much the hgs (and the jury) still don't know. We can guess on things but we have more information than they do.

When Jeff left the house, he was still saying he had to get Russ out, and didn't know about the LML (they named it Last Minute Lie) by Nat and Kevin. Then he thought Kevin turned on him when it was Kevin and Nat, led by Nat.

If Nat is at F2, she might have to explain to the jury that she took out everyone even though she wasn't HOH because that will prove she was the greater player. But, then, maybe they won't believe her.

Anonymous said...

This show has run its course. The premise didn't help.

Anonymous said...

Not sure if this has been said, but you can vote once a day on cbs.com for america's favorite=)

BAP said...

So Kevin is going to throw the endurance part to Nat??

Interesting, last night on BBAD Nat was telling Jordo that as soon as Kevin drops she will throw the endurance to her. She told Jordan she would have to hold on no matter what.


Is Nat bsing Jordo? Is she bsing Kevin? Is she so confident both of them would take her to the F2 she does not need to win any part?

Will there be mass confusion and nobody will ever drop?

Gettin in Nat's head, well that is too scary of a place. Just never know what her thought process may be!

Anonymous said...

I'm confused by the posts. Do we know who won the veto yet?

Beverly said...

I can't believe that Jordan asked Gnat, if Jordan goes to the jury house does Gnat want her to give a message to any one like Jessie.
Where in God's name is this child's brain. Come on Jordan, you can't live on looks alone. Use your head girl!

Anonymous said...

The feeds just said that Michelle was looking all over for her gloves that we all know Natalie stole. I just don't understand BB letting Natalie get away with that!! WTF (as my college kids would say) is going on???? Cathi

Joe in NY said...

Anonymous said...
I'm confused by the posts. Do we know who won the veto yet?

9/07/2009 9:46 PM


Yes, Kevin won the veto

Joe in NY said...

It would be pretty funny if everyone dropped out of the endurance comp before they went off the air tomorrow!!! LOL

Witt said...

Jackie said Kevin won the veto.

Must agree to disagree, Joe/Karma's Biotch. I still don't think that they'll go for the poor card vs. someone who was actively involved in game play. Just MHO, for whatever it's worth. However, people also may vote for someone because they so dislike the other finalist, so who knows? (I'll still be by the tv next Tuesday waiting it all out!)


Witt :)

Joe in NY said...

Witt said...
Jackie said Kevin won the veto.

Must agree to disagree, Joe/Karma's Biotch. I still don't think that they'll go for the poor card vs. someone who was actively involved in game play. Just MHO, for whatever it's worth. However, people also may vote for someone because they so dislike the other finalist, so who knows? (I'll still be by the tv next Tuesday waiting it all out!)


Witt :)

You may be right, I'm not completely disagreeing with you. My point is only that it is dangerous to take Jordan because you can't know what the jury will do. I think this is particularly true for Kevin: Jeff will vote Jordan and so might all his "bros" since they actually respect Jeff more than Kevin. And, of course, you've potentially got Kevin open to the charge that he was Nat's puppet (which is not completely untrue). I think Nat actually has Kevin pretty boxed in, clever little vixen that she is.

Joe in NY said...

Beverly said...
I can't believe that Jordan asked Gnat, if Jordan goes to the jury house does Gnat want her to give a message to any one like Jessie.
Where in God's name is this child's brain. Come on Jordan, you can't live on looks alone. Use your head girl!

9/07/2009 9:50 PM

She does! Where do you think she keeps her hat?

Anonymous said...

"Must agree to disagree, Joe/Karma's Biotch." LOLOL oh sorry lolol

sizzie said...

Nat told Kevin to wait a little while (before dropping the comp) so it will look realistic. I guess she isn't aware that we (and BB) can hear her.

Beverly said...

I have to admit Joe, that was funny re: Jordan.

Nana from the NW said...

Nat. telling Jordon that she will drop and give Pt. 1 to her is all part of the scheme Nat. and Kevin have cooked up. They are trying to make Jordon think she's going to win Pt. l so she won't being playing her best.....I think Jordon is always playing her best...sometimes "your best just ain't good enough!".

As for Michelle's gloves....that's stealing--game or no game! BB needs to make her give them back before she is evicted!!! Nat. went into her personal belongings and took them....they weren't left laying around! Michelle knows there missing, maybe she will get suspicious and go talk to the DR about it.

My wv....noweak....no weak for believing anyone!!!

Anonymous said...

Did the gloves turn up yet? Has Nat been summoned to the diary room about them yet? They have to make her give them back....I can't understand why this is allowed.

Anonymous said...

If Michelle was smart, she will determine those gloves are worth at least $50K to her. yessss, that's it.

constant gina said...

nice...I am sure Natalie is cheating at Solitare..lol..small note

monty924 said...

Joe in NY said...
It would be pretty funny if everyone dropped out of the endurance comp before they went off the air tomorrow!!! LOL

************
Nah, that happened on All-Stars already and it wasn't funny then. :)

I would love it if Nat gets burnt by all of her planning. Just saying...

joy n said...

Joe, on your 1:29pm comment:

I wasn't talking about Nat's planned strategy, I was talking about her planned meanness which had nothing to do with gameplay.

I agree with you Meb. There's no way Natalie could put on a front for that long. What we see is what we get.

Joe in NY said...

Joe, on your 1:29pm comment:

I wasn't talking about Nat's planned strategy, I was talking about her planned meanness which had nothing to do with gameplay.

I agree with you Meb. There's no way Natalie could put on a front for that long. What we see is what we get.

9/08/2009 12:33 AM

I disagree, joyn, in the sense that meanness can be part of game play. ED did it, intentionally, to rattle the other hgs. Actually, I know a lot of people disliked ED, but I've always given him credit for one thing: playing the game differently than anyone else. EVERYONE tries to be Dr. Will or Nakomis, at least he went a different route.

joy n said...

Joe, let me be clear. I'm talking about the UNNECESSARY meanness Natalie displays so gleefully and so often after she noms someone or as they leave the house. When her lies and deeds have already given her what she wants and yet she continues to twist the knife.

You seem to defend her actions as "all's fair in love and war" and I disagree. When she has already accomplished what she set out to do, why keep hurting people? Why smile happily about it? That's personality, not game play.

Defend her actions as gameplay all you like. Let's just agree to disagree.

Joe in NY said...

joy n said...
Joe, let me be clear. I'm talking about the UNNECESSARY meanness Natalie displays so gleefully and so often after she noms someone or as they leave the house. When her lies and deeds have already given her what she wants and yet she continues to twist the knife.

You seem to defend her actions as "all's fair in love and war" and I disagree. When she has already accomplished what she set out to do, why keep hurting people? Why smile happily about it? That's personality, not game play.

Defend her actions as gameplay all you like. Let's just agree to disagree.

9/08/2009 1:19 PM

We certainly do disagree and I don't mind that.

I'm not defending her actions, not exactly, I'm just suggesting that we don't know what's her and what's strategy. Her goal is to win. She hasn't necessarily achieved her aims just because she gets Jeff out. She's still playing. You call it meanness, reveling etc. and I fully admit that it may be. But I really don't know how much of it is affected for the sake of the game (nor, to be fair, do you).

They've been mean - pretty much everyone. Don't forget Jeff actually threatening Russell OUTSIDE the house. Jordan going off on Russell. Everyone going off on Ronnie. Everyone going off on Michelle at one time or another (Russell, J/J, Natalie, Ronnie, Jessie...) But in the end, they seem okay with it as being a game (except maybe Chima). They also haven't physically hurt anyone (Natalie came closest with her dreams of making Michelle's eyes water), I call sticks and stones.

I shouldn't even make an implied comparison, but Natalie ran the house like no one has since Dr. Will. ED ran much of the house, much of the time but got help from America and Eric and didn't really control that group before then. Natalie has run just about everything the whole time. She ran Jessie's reign. When the CD'E happened, she took a step back but she survived every trip to the block by orchestrating the ouster of her opponent. Ultimately she got Jeff and Jordan and used them to oust Russell.

Did she lie to do it? You bet. Did she intimidate? Yup. Did she emotionally break down other players? Yep. Is she nice? Maybe not. But neither is Tom Brady, but all he does is win.

Amy said...

As long as Natalie doesn't win!!!