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Wednesday, September 12, 2007
'Big Brother 8' - Live Feeds Final HOH Comp Part 1 Winner
Zach told Dick he was incredible. Dick is upset with himself. He's not in good shape. He wants a cigarette and to warm up.
You know I have not used an alarm clock within the last 10 yrs, My body became accustom to waking up every 3- 4 hrs regardless, therefore I stopped simply because my mind wouldn't relax, knowing the alarm would sound off in order to wake me up, Perhaps I'm weird. Thanks (( Jackie )))
I can't help but imagine if it were the other way around, do you think Dick would be quiet like Zach? Or, do you think he'd be gloating, name-calling, the usual Dick stuff..?
I was due to get up at 6:30 AM for my grandkids and school....woke up at 5:30 after going to bed at 12;30, just couldn't listen to Dick any longer on Showtime, he was really making me ill. Even if Zach doesn't make it any further, God bless him...... this is enormous. Couldn't be happier. Was almost afraid to check in with your site Jackie, would have been devestated if Dick's tactics had won over last night. He is a sick, sick man!
Dick's yelling of obscenities at Zach all night must have taken a lot of energy out of him that he probably could have used to focus on the competition.
I was watching it last night and that was the first thing I thought about when he refused to STFU. He was expending so much energy with all that yelling and it was counter productive to his game.
I went to bed around 2 AM thinking that whoever survived that competition deserves to win the whole thing.
Dick's yelling of obscenities at Zach all night must have taken a lot of energy out of him that he probably could have used to focus on the competition. _____________________ Britt - Your right, I thought to myself last night Dick` shouldn't be wasting engery talking, it'll wear your lungs out, of course unless your a performer on stage, accustom to shouting dancing, running` haha, Zach` lost a lot of weight, he's also accustm to being in the water. I better get some work.. Time for coffee or tea..
If anyone was actually watching the live feeds they wouldn't be attacking either guy. They both held on for 7.5 hours in almost constant down pour. Dick looked as if he was about to go into shock and I'm surprised that BB let the comp go on as long as it did. They both did AWESOME!!!! For a 44yr old smoking, non working out man up against a 30 yr old health nut, Dick held his own very well. I think his mind would have continued on forever, but his body gave up on him... It was actually sad to watch them. Zack too looks very pale and is a bit twitchy... Not a very good comp... They should have done without the cold water....
Now with all that being said, I can only hope that Dick throws the second round to Dani and lets her go at Zack while he is weakend by this comp...
It was a long hard fought battle. Both men did well, however Zach realizes odd's are stacked high against him, he wasn't going to quit, unlike Mike Boogie did last yr, of course Janie turned and that ended comp early. Dani might have better advantage in round..
yes i would think that dick should let dani win round 2, and then go against zach for round 3. she is usually pretty good at the true false stuff but.... i still want a donato to take it all. i hope she finishes in enough time to get the car. remember last year janelle did not have the upper body strength that boogie had ... dick may be worn out at this point. i am amazed he held on as long as he did.thanks for watching and reporting all night jackie
64 degrees in LA... BB lucky there was no major hypothermia, even the miltary checks body temps on soldiers in cold water conditions after some deaths.
Jackie, I have been reading and loving your blog for years but have never posted...but upon waking up at 6:15 this morning (after reading your play-by-play until 2:15) and seeing your post at 5:29, I have to say THANK YOU! You are awesome! I hope you get a chance to get some sleep today.
G'morning Jackie & everyone. Jackie, an off-topic question: In past seasons, I was under the impression that making "deals" or promises to "share" the winnings was absolutely against the rules. Yet, Dick has openly said he plans to share his winnings with Daniele. Any thoughts?
I have to give props to Dick for lasting as long as he did. He really wanted to do it for his daughter, but being a smoker (and I know how it feels when you really want a cigarette)and 14 years older than Zach, he did amazingly well. Now he should give the next one to Dani because she is better at questions than he is. I must say on the show, it did seem that Dick was putting a lot of pressure on Dani to win the POV. I'm surprised she didn't crumble against the pressure. I'll be one of the very few here to say..... D&D to the end!
I wasn't attacking Dick, I was making an observation. I think he did great. I watched it on Showtime and I saw Dick yelling for at least an hour and my point is simply that I think it was a mistake to expend so much energy shouting obscenities at Zach in an attempt to intimidate him or throw him off his game.
I will say it again so we're all clear: I think Dick did great.
Jackie..you did good girl! I was up until 5 (because I couldn't go to sleep) and kept checking in although I didn't post anymore. Then of course half hour later its over. Both deserve accolades but Dick moreso, since he is older. I'm still glad Zack won tho.
Dick should just give the 2nd comp to Danielle so she can compete against Zack in the final comp. Last year it was quite elaborate with Boogie and Janelle on hanging ropes and having to fly around lining up lazer beams to mirrors. Janelle admitted it was really physical. Wonder if this second one will be the same?
Thanks again Jackie...go to bed! Maybe you already have.
Dick can rant & rave & cuss at Zack all he wants, all it's doing is wearing him out, because Zack doesn't seem to be affected by anything Dick says to him anyways
I was a D/D fan (well, not that i was a fan of theirs, i just wanted them to win) because i felt like they played the game from the beginning, & had a huge target on their backs - but the last couple of days, they have been so smug about winning, I would love to see Zack go up against either one of them in the final HOH, just to knock some of that smugness out
well, now D/D go into the 2nd comp together - wouldn't it be funny if BB did another elaborate (think volcano) comp & after the first couple of minutes D/D make a deal & one bows out ??
Somebody mentioned that Zach will be too worn down to compete well in part 3,but they have to play part 2 yet and it will give him plenty of time to recoup his energy and get ready. I fully expect dick to throw the comp and let Dani win. I hope Zach toasts her!
Great job,Zach and,oh yeah,good job for an old man with a filthy mouth.I am so surprised that the control room finally made him stop.
jackie and all the faithful,I am so surprised and thankful that you all hung in there to bring us quitters the news.....lol. Get some serious sleep.
Im not really a Zach fan..well not until now..and not for any reason other then, he hasn't done anything major, he's just been there..but after the was Dick acted after Daniele won POV, and the way the 2 have been acting since Jess and Eric have left, not even trying to hide from the others that it's their house..i want Zach to win HOH this week and put one of them up..just to rub it into D&D's face..he'd prolly win against either of them, heck at this point i'd pick Jennoying over either of them.. Go Zach...
Thanks Jackie, for starting my day off in such a great way. I am so happy for Zach. He has really handled himself amazingly well in this house. Go Zach!!!
Sharon-- I would hope Zach could rest, but if they follow right away with comp 2 Dick could just throw it in minutes to Dani and they'd be on to comp 3... just a thought. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd ask Jackie but I imagine she's napping right now.
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What a production! Boogie's wasted volcano is vindicated by BB's comp architects.Simple but effective. Not to mention the human drama of it all.
# I know Daniele 'finally' told her dad it was okay to quit..., I just heard it in that martyr voice that meant, 'if you are too weak, I guess it is okay to quit' which is more of a slap than a help. She really likes him to be her fall guy. Valiant effort made by Dick. Today will be very rough on him. He will need time to heal and instead will have the constant chattering Dani by his bedside.
#Zach seemed to be as bothered by the elements as a huge tree in the forest is by a rainstorm.
#A question for those who like and those who don't like Dick's game plan. He has said in the past his play would be different, if Dani weren't there. How would he have played the endurance if she were not in the house? In your opinions?
# One thing about Zach as a floater. I saw Amber as a floater because she didn't win things and seemed to just 'go with the flow'. She had an alliance, so maybe that kept her from floating? The main reasoning given by the Ds about Zach being floater is that 'there were always bigger fish to fry'. Those fish were there to be fried because Zach kept himself out of the frying pan. And that took some doing. Mike didn't do it, and was gone. Zach did and stayed. Every time he might have gone, someone directed the hgs to another one to be evicted. If that happened like with Amber, where she wasn't doing anything to help herself, that is floating. But, if Zach managed to be out of mind, then that is game playing. I didn't watch enough of the early game to know if he was just left behind or if he worked it.
# Dick's tirades (not just toward Zach, but all of them through the last weeks) would have just made me stronger, instead of weakening as he intends. I think his game plan has been working and can't take that away from him. He only has the one level of warfare, though. A good player has to know their opponent and change the assault with the target. I haven't seen that with him. He seems a one shot kind of Dick to me. I think he hasn't met his match in the house and that might make him the best gamer in the house, but it doesn't make him a smart player.
Thank you Jackie (I am whispering so as not to wake you) You are sleeping, aren't you? You aren't at work, are you? You need a day off! Sue
My guess is ED will throw part two to Danielle and part 3 will be Zack and Dan. I can only hope that Zack has the ability to beat Dan so he can pick who to go to finals with.
Thanks Jackie, another awesome year of BB blogging! You make the BB season worth watching!
""64 degrees in LA... BB lucky there was no major hypothermia, even the miltary checks body temps on soldiers in cold water conditions after some deaths""
I would have to agree here, I watched also all nite till I fell asleep at 2. Dick was really making me sick to my stomach. I could not believe that tyrade he was on. He never ONCE that I saw ask Dani if she was ok. I think Zach deserves to win just for the plain fact that for the longest time he was able to block Dick out. I saw the men holding the water sprayers, they must have had a hard time being quiet thru all that. I hope noone actually gets sick or "hurt" so to speak. that was awful conditions for them. Then, I saw Dick say he was gonna "pee" so get the water ready. They should have let him stand in his own Pee and not spray him.
I also agree with anon about Dick throwing teh comp to Cani, I bet he may....I cant see him trying to beat her. I also wouldnt doubt for a MINUTE that he tries to also "intimidate" her. Ya never know what your gonna get with ED. PHEW, I guess I had alot to say...lol
It's true that Zach floated in the first 1/2 of the game, but he's turned it on when it counted. I think he deserves to be there as much as anyone. Plus it must be hard with the whole house shunning him. He's basically been all along all season. I think he's the one person in there that didn't come in to "make friends", "have fun", or anything else, but he came in here to play the game.
Part 2 should go quickly because the Donato's will decide which one of them will "win" & go up against Zach in Part 3. I aplaud Zach for standing up to Dick like everyone should have weeks ago. Zach seems to have figured out that silence is what is going to beat Dick. Accepting that Dick is just an a$$ & ignoring his tirades is the key to beating him.
I used to be a huge Dick fan & now I recognize him as the a$$ he is. I know many people just like him & just do not want him to win. I regret supporting him in the beginning. I think if we (us people who took a while to see him for what he is) would have figured it out sooner maybe we could have given Eric ammo to get him out? I don't know if it would have worked but it's a nice thought!
First let me say thanks to Jackie for hanging in there all night. I have to give props to Dick for hanging in so long, he looked half dead up there for a very long time. You could just tell that Zach wasn't letting go of that key no matter what.
I think its safe to say that Dick will throw part 2 to Dani. I hope he at least puts a little effort into it though. The winner of part 3 will all boil down to what kind of comp it is.
sydney I also agree to TIME TO SEND OUR DONATIONS!!!! I encourage every one of us to go to the link on the homepage here and send anything you can in gratitude for providing this forum and doing such a great job!! That's top of my to-do list today.... THANKS JACKIE!!! Debbons
Thanks so much Jackie, your screen caps are awesome. I feel like you deserve a drowned fake rabbit as a gift for all your tireless work on this blog.
GO ZACK!!!!
I said it long ago: Dick is an a**. And his daughter has not fallen that far from the tree. I cannot wait until I never have to see or hear either of them again on my television set.
Just because Zach didn't succumb to Dick's filthy comments doesn't mean he wasn't affected by them. He said to Danielle "It sucks all the things that your dad said. It really bothered me" Words, even when they are untrue, are powerful and can be painful and damaging. That is why I dislike Dick so much. Just because his abuse is verbal and not physical doesn't make it any less hurtful, in fact I think the wounds caused by verbal abuse are much worse because some never heal.
What was with the showtime delay? Was watching until the end, and Dick & Zach still at it, but then find out comp was over 1/2 hour before showtime ended.
Deanna you're absolutely right, for those who didn't watch the whole thing, that was amazing. 58 degree water pouring on them. Zach is a health nut, Dick is not. 7 1/2 hours is long time to be standing in that kind of down pour plus wind blowing on them.
Dick didn't go on his rants for that long, they both got quiet. Kudos to both of them
So now we look forward to part 2 and 3. Part 2. -usually a puzzle or timed comp. the winner goes to part 3 Part 3.- usually a question comp.
Anonymous said... What was with the showtime delay? Was watching until the end, and Dick & Zach still at it, but then find out comp was over 1/2 hour before showtime ended.
Were you watching the west coast ShoToo? The comp went until 5:30 am, ShoToo typically shows the house from 9:00pm to midnight. There must have been a bit of a delay, as Daniele went out after midnight and it was shown in the first hour of the SHoToo show. Maybe ShoToo showed midnight to 3:00am. The comp still went on a couple hours beyond that.
Wow! Go Zach! I was so disgusted by the previous happenings in the house with Jess and Eric leaving that I didn't even watch last night's show. I am thrilled Zach is doing so well. WHOO Hoo!! Thanks for the updates, Jackie!
Petals said... G'morning Jackie & everyone. Jackie, an off-topic question: In past seasons, I was under the impression that making "deals" or promises to "share" the winnings was absolutely against the rules. Yet, Dick has openly said he plans to share his winnings with Daniele. Any thoughts?
I think it is against the rules to share or agree to split winnings with another player. But as a father he can probably "gift" his children money and get around that. I seem to remember hearing something about Rob and Amber from Survivor, something about she has to keep her winnings separate even though they are married. I don't know how they can enforce that.
thanks for the update jackie. sad (for my life) that this is the first thing i checked on the computer this morning LOL
you know what surprised me most about this competition? that cbs would run the water continuously. what would have been better is it is hit every so often, without their expectation or knowing it was coming.
i'm surprised no one gets sick from this. cbs should seriously be ashamed of themselves this entire season for so many things.
thanks for the update. will be interesting to see what happens next.
anon 10:03... that is how they did it... water pounded them and then it stopped for a period and then started again. Dick even asked for it to start once because he had to "pee". And they started it again.
anon 10:05... no Zack gets to sit out comp 2... As the winner of comp 1, he will play the winner of comp 2. Probably Daniele, because Dick and Daniele are going to play each other in #2 and Dick will probably throw it to Dani since she is so good in comps usually.
sorry...didn't answer the question. Whoever wins Comp 3 will choose who goes to the Final 2 with them. If Zack wins, he gets to decide which of the D's goes with him. If one of the D's wins comp 3... need I say more. Smile
I made that Zach won part one of the competition. I don't want Zach to win part three of the competition or win bb8. I hope Daniele wins part two of the competion and evicts Zach. Zach is a floater. Zach's nomination speech was so stupid.
I don't deny it. I'm not pretending to any moral superiority to anyone. Zack supporters are, which they might well be - if they weren't also spewing venom.
I am Dick. I admit it. EVERYONE is Dick - even if it is only inside their minds because they don't want it to come out.
Human beings are self-centered, selfish, self-obsessed, self-indulgent, and self-righteous! That's why socialism failed, it expected people to put society ahead of self. WE NEVER DO!
I am honest about it - can you be?
P.S. I'm honored that you took the time to go back over all of my posts! It wasn't, of course, necessary as I freely admit to being Dick!
I have no idea when Part II will be, but it has to be sometime today. The eviction is tomorrow and they'll want to show the comp + any negotiations after the comp, so they need time to edit.
Peggy, I don't know when the 2nd comp will start but I think they will probably let D/D/Z have a few hours of sleep before the next challenge starts. Not to mention the behind the scenes folks will have to clean up the backyard from last night's wet and messy comp. Even if it is a a Q & A comp my best guess would be a minimum of 6 hours but probably not until later tonight to accomdate the viewers of the live feeds. Although it won't be live on TV I would think it will be a "Prime Time" event.
A number of people have said that Zack is a "health nut" like he was given a great advantage. If you've watched BB in the past, there has always been endurance comps as well as memory or thinking comps. It's not Zach's fault that Dick smokes like a chimney and is 44 years old (although 44 isn't old if you are in good shape and I believe someone at 44 who really took care of their body could beat someone younger). Big deal. Some people are better at the thinking parts and some are better at the athletic parts. Zach dealth with the physical abuse of the game and the mental abuse of Dick last night and came out on top. Dick's tactics stopped working on Zach a while ago. I know he's bothered (well, who wouldn't be? He shouted out the same dirty things a million times--but I think he set it in his mind not to let it affect the way he played) and he did a great job.
I, for one, wanted to jump through my TV screen and bash the crap out of Dick to make him stop. When Dani was still in the comp and they would pan over to her, she was chuckling at what her father was saying. I felt sorry that they lost, but honestly, they are not the kind of people I would ever consider knowing in real life. All I kept thinking while Dick was ranting at Zach last night was, um...have you not been listening to yourself for the past three months because your words have been so hateful/sexist/homophobic. I mean, what a hypocrite.
I'm glad Zach won. He's not a floater. He's a player. And he kicked ass.
Joe...no moral superiority? Calling Zach an idiot when you have NO idea of his IQ or mental capabilities. Just because YOU don't like his decision making skills,what makes you the pronouncer of his intelligence when you claim no superiority?
I don't like dick's behavior. That does not make ME dick. I have never acted like dick in my entire life. I don't spit in public,grope myself in public,use the foul language that flows freely from his lips or have I ever thrown iced tea on anyone! Don't make such broad statements you have no way of backing up. I resent you calling me names because I support someone other than your choice in this G A M E!!Talk about the hamsters NOT the posters in here,per Jackie!
I don't mean everyone is as vulgar. But everyone looks out for themselves and their kids (tell me you wouldn't go to town on someone who threatened your children!). It's human nature - heck, it's animal nature.
Dick's choice of words is a bit harsh, but they are just words.
My only point was that people hate Dick for all the name calling of his fellow HGs. Ignore the vulgarity for a moment. That's just what people on this board do when they call Dick abusive, a bad parent, a bully, etc. Dani is "whiny", "poor sport", "unworthy", "evil like Dick" yada yada yada...
Change all those adjectives into 4 letter words and you've got a classic Dick Donato Rant! (IMVHO)
That's my only point (IMHO) - take it for what it's worth.
It wouldn't take much to be morally superior to Dick.
Everyone is free to feel whatever they want about Dick, and I know Joe likes to argue with people here, but I can swear to you, that I am nothing like him. Maybe men as a whole are a selfish-I-always-think-of-myself-first group of people, but most of the women I know are NOT (especially mothers--there is no way you can think of yourself first when you have children).
There are ways to win without offending most of humanity but Dick hasn't learned that lesson yet.
I am an idiot and I'm calling Zack an idiot. Therefore there is no moral superiority - I'm just calling Zack a Joe!!! :)
I'm not sure why you are all upset. I simply suggested that Zack supporters would be a wee bit more on point about Zack taking the high road relative to the Donatos if they didn't call the Donatos names at the same time.
Just MHO.
I never called you a name, I don't even know who you are. I simply suggested (and Freud would back me up) that there is a little Dick in all of us - even if we repress him most of the time.
See, the thing is, I don't like 90% of the things Dick does. (That alone proves how self-righteous I am - I won't mention anyone else). Danielle is probably the prettiest girl I've ever seen who I definitely wouldn't have sex with! (I'm not sure what that says about me!) But, I just get tired of hearing all the anti-Dick, anti-Dani comments. You can like and support Zack without needing to hate Dick - and vice versa. You can even hate Dick. But you can't rationally "hate" Dick, call Dick names, and then claim that you are not like Dick (who is almost a caricature of a hate-filled name-caller)!
You think it is easier to be morally superior to Dick - that immediately argues that your sense of the moral is superior. We are all self-righteous - why is that so awful to admit?
And, as I mentioned to you earlier, I expect you to be a tigress when defending your children. So's Dick. Remember, his WORST behavior was all in defense of Dani:
1) The tea on Jen's head was because Jen went after Dani in the kitchen about Dani's morality. 2) The worst tirades and language was tossed around when he and Dani were on the block and he wanted to make sure he got booted.
He actually has been pretty calm between then and the Final 4 when Zack went after him.
Again, I'm not condoning Dick's excesses. I'm just suggesting that we are all (including Dick) not that different in our cores.
Sorry Joe, but I can't agree with that. It's not just Dick's foul language but the fact that he knows what he's doing and does it intentionally. He so easily hurts people with his words and then has absolutely no remorse for his actions or regard for their feelings. I cannot believe that all or even most people could be that cruel, thoughtless and then actually feel good about it like Dick does. I have to believe that most people are better than that.
I think they came up with the comp last night just to clear the backyard of three months of Dick's dna.
And Joe, we love ya here, but my eyes are killing me from your intesity. Not that you have to do anything for me, but if you can bring it down just a notch, I think it would be fabulous, and actually allow what you're trying to say to be heard better. Please don't jump all over me for mentioning it. :-P
I definitely don't believe everyone is Dick - I don't even think everyone has a little bit of Dick in them. I know people who couldn't act like him if their life depended on it.
As a mother I would be a tigress to defend my children from harm. I just don't believe that spewing profanity to intentionally hurt other people is is how I would go about it..... however to use the kind of abusive behavior Dick has exhibited in a game just for money would be unthinkable. There's a difference between protecting your child from harm and trying to help them win $500,000. Please don't compare a mothers' natural protectiveness of her children with Dick's sick relationship with Danielle or their desire for money - that is insulting to mothers everywhere!
After seven and a half hours of standing in pouring cold water before giving up, Dick tells Dani how much he loves her...having just demonstrated it for sure. He asks her to tell him she loves him...maybe, just maybe, for an instant she might appreciate what he tried to do. No, not narcissistic Dani. She won't say I love you to him. He asks for a kiss...again, "no." Can he not see that nothing will ever be enough for this woman? I dislike Dick a lot, but he did an admirable job of hanging in there last night and I think she could have been a little appreciative...no, she's still on her "this competition sucks" kick and complaining about the endurance comp. My guess is that Daddy will give in to Dani's request that he throw the second comp to her. Dani will will sound two and maybe she will smile again for another few seconds before that isn't good enough either. Dick might win BB...but he will never win with Dani. That ship has sailed.
Joe in NY...Jackie has a rule that we can criticize the hampsters but not other bloggers...no matter their opinions. Please stick to the rules...you have a lot to say but say it within the context Jackie has set up or log your opinion on other boards. We all may disagree here but we are not disagreeable people in general. Most of us are not Dick...
Well, again, the fact that you feel people are better than that...oh, I'm not going to even say it again.
If you read my previous post, I did refer to Dick's excesses. And everyone here is a bit of an extremist in that I'm not saying we are all IDENTICAL to Dick. I'm saying there is a bit of Dick in all of us, even if it is just that little piece of us that just MUST post to this board that Dick is *** (fill in ugly adjective) and so Zack deserves to win.
Don't you see, it should be enough to just say "I think Zack should win" but many of us end up saying "I think Zack should win because he is so incredibly superior to his evil housemates". The need to look down our respective noses at the competition is no different than Dick's childish bragging and insulting condescension. Dick is our uncensored Id!!!
As for hurting people and feeling good about it, I agree with you. Most of us, MOST of the time would feel bad if we even unintentionally hurt someone (and Dick might also, he has seemed apologetic on rare occasions). But, there are also times when we revel in the suffering of others.
If a child molester was hit by a truck, how many people would be happy that he "got what he deserved"?
How many people cheer in a movie when the bad guy finally "gets what he deserves"?
70% of Americans believe in capital punishment (I don't, by the way).
Under certain circumstances we all cheer the pain of others if we feel they "deserve it" - which means they have violated our personal sense of morality.
And, many of us, maybe not all, would go to great extremes to win a prize as big as BB. Maybe we would just tell lies (because it is ONLY a game), or backstab our allies (because it is ONLY a game). But, I'm sure if the prize was big enough, some of us would knock down our competitors when running the race and apologize AFTER the race was over for stepping on them on our way to the prize.
Well said Anon 11:27 -- I read about that on Jokers too and felt just awful for Dick... and I'm not a ED fan. I think he will throw the second comp to her.
However, regarding the idea that they agreed to split it whichever won... this is more proof that I'm not so sure if Dani wins it all she'll split it with Dick. Dick may well hold true to her and would also probably want to give some to Vince...
Joe said: "...But, I just get tired of hearing all the anti-Dick, anti-Dani comments..."
Joe why aren't you just as tired of hearing all the anti-Zack comments.
You said earlier (my interpretation of your words) that we should all be able to have our opinions about any/all of the house guests. Then why are you so upset and "tired of" when we have an opinion.
Joe for the most part you're fun to "chat" with, but you can drive it into the ground too.
Please don't compare a mothers' natural protectiveness of her children with Dick's sick relationship with Danielle or their desire for money - that is insulting to mothers everywhere!
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I would just point out (again) that "Dick's sick relationship" is again a moral judgment.
Suppose (purely hypothetical IMHO): 1) Dani hates Dick for the childhood she had. 2) Dick feels that he couldn't provide Dani the things she wanted. 3) Dick believes that winning the money for Dani is the ONLY way to make up to Dani for the life he gave her, his last chance to save his relationship with his daughter.
Seems to me (IMHO) that it is now less a monster raping a reality TV house and more of a sad Greek tragedy. IMO
Sydney, I could never be mad at you - Orkmommy says you're hot!!! :)
I'm not sure how to dial back what I'm saying because it's not what I'm saying, it's what everyone's hearing!
All I said is we all have a nasty little Dick hiding in our brains (id) that we mostly repress.
Whether true or false (Freud, help me out), it shouldn't be that offensive.
Would you rather be the person who has no anger in them, or the person who controls that anger? Mark Twain once said that he was better than George Washington because Washington could tell no lies, but Twain could but chose not to.
I don't see why anyone is taking anything I said that personally. I've admitted to all the supposed faults I've mentioned in everyone. Why is it so offensive to belong to a club that includes me and Dick and (IMHO) most of the human race?
Answer:Because we all want to believe that we are morally superior! (IMHO)
I completely agree with DKNYNC, and unlike Joe's very well thoughtout comments, Im not snickering at that as I read it!
I dont't respect Donato's way of playing the game. Someone compared him to Will who did the same type of game without the cruelty. Will beat the other players in the game, but didn't hurl insults and vulgarity to get ahead.
To those who said Zack didn't play the game, I believe that Zack played a very smart game this season. He had no one who befriended him, let alone liked him. Some how he ended up in the final 3 by flying under the radar of all the HGs who wanted him out so much earlier. Life lesson here, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and don't feed the monkeys!
Joe in NY...Jackie has a rule that we can criticize the hampsters but not other bloggers...no matter their opinions. Please stick to the rules...you have a lot to say but say it within the context Jackie has set up or log your opinion on other boards. We all may disagree here but we are not disagreeable people in general. Most of us are not Dick...
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I must humbly disagree with your assessment. I haven't criticized anyone (except HGs). I just suggested (offensive as it apparently is) that we are all human beings with the same nasty little id (which I have nicknamed).
That would not seem to me to be a criticism levelled at anyone.
I will agree that "sick" may be a judgement of their relationship but weren't they put in the house because their relationship was troubled. Given your example - "winning the money is the only to make up for giving her a lousy childhood" I can only hope that that is not what defines a healthy parent child relationship and I'm sure that most definitely will not be the answer to their troubles.
Sorry Meb, you're right. I should have said Dick/Dani/and Zack comments (which I did in one post). I'm sorry to wear you out.
I'm going to go silent.
But, could someone please tell me why suggesting that Dick is just an open, extreme version of the nasty part of all of us is SOO offensive? I never said it was the biggest or best part of any of us!
Dick has played a top notch game, you may not like his strategy, but it works. I really haven't cared for anyones methods used to win this game as you always end up lying. Nothing worse than a damn lier. But then you say it's only a game. Well Dick is playing the game so lying or being a jerk- it's all fair. Now CBS loves Dick, unlike some of the other guests this season- he knows the rules and follows them right up to the line.
I hope Dick or Dani wins! There are no saints that do good in this show.
Okay Joe, maybe you just shouldn't have said "everyone is Dick" if you meant that you think we all have a little part of us that could have the potential to be like Dick. Again, I'm not taking the moral high ground here for myself but I don't think there are many comments that can be true if they use words like everyone or always. There are usually exceptions.
Joe, speak for yourself, i am no DICK. I can control what i say to people and even when i am pissed i watch what i say. And there are plenty of people in this country that put other people needs ahead of their own. All the volunteers at the many catastrophes we have had in past years is proof of that.
Joe: I could never say that "Dick is just an open, extreme version of the nasty part of" me .. because what you said... it is SOO offensive? I could never say some of the things that Dick spews out of his mouth so easily. Even some of the milder expletives are foreign to my ear (as I mentioned before). Have I ever said one (or two). Wash my mouth out with soap.
Way to go Zach...Kudos to the old man with bad lungs..He did better than I thought..Dani should be ashamed of herself for making him endure all that torture...I agree with Barbwire..I like them until they became so smug..and to Deanna - (to each their own) - Remember we all have our own opinion...Thanks, sweetie...
Now I haven't done the research, as this just came to mind.....but the weeks that Zach was on the block but didn't go home - was that a result of America's vote thru Eric? Are we the ones responsible for him still being there?
I personally hope Zach wins. If for no other reason than the way the D's have been so badly underestimating him. The D's have every right to be proud of themselves for getting as far as they have, but there is absolutely no reason to rub it in Z's face like they do (mostly Dick). At least Zach can act civilized and congratulate his opponent when they win.
It really is to see a NICE guy doing something good on BB ... no shomance no back stabbing, when Zack gave Jamika a fighting chance it had to make her feel good! And if this is his "game" then RIGHT ON!! Let's here it for the good guy. I'm so sick and tired of the back stabbing weasels in this world ALWAYS coming out on top -- ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK!
Ever notice that when Dani wins a competition it's because she's smart and prepared and has the determination to win, but when she loses, it's because THE COMPETITION WASN'T FAIR.
I may be shot for my view but I believe Dani is no closer to her dad than she was at the beginning. She is using him to win herself the money. She knows he would do anything for her and has proven that. IF they end up the final two I will hope for ED to win just for that.
I think it is funny how many people made fun of Zach for being an ogre/oaf all through the game and how creepy he is when he was just playing a quiet, let them fry bigger fish game, he is showing that he was capable of winning competitions all along or he wouldn't be winning them now. I hope that Zach is final two and I think he could win against either of them.
I read some posts about not hating the hgs...just hate the haters...(or something like that) and agree with the sentiment to a degree. I do think, though, that many of the criticisms of hgs are based on likes and dislikes of personality traits rather than how the game is/was played. That doesn't excuse any of us from being rude (and I have thrown enough zingers to qualify for that), but you have to dissect the post to find out where the insult lies. With game play or with clashing personalities. And does it make a differece to you? Can we insult the people and appreciate their game? 'cause if I can't insult one of them, I'm not sure why I am here or watching the game. (can you read the smile in my words?) I have had a hard enough time finding a Protagonist in the BB house of Antagonists. Right now, Zach gets to be the hero just because he isn't D or D. That can change. Just saying.
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One season all the hgs tried to throw all the comps. I guess it was the under the radar year. One of the comps was one where no one could know the answers...something like what color am I thinking at this moment. That was a real curve to toss the hgs because the winner of that comp didnt want to win.
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Always, the endurance (Survivor, too) has the last two or more contestants making deals. With Dani as the only remainding hg not in the HOH comp late last night, Dick was completely excluded from making a deal to end early. That is one of the disadvantages of team play. In that particular case the Ds have played themselves into a corner. I am sure Daniele will take the second part and Dick will go all out to find Zach Achille's Heel and torture it in the hours before Part Two. To be fair, Zach is free to do the same with Daniele to put off her game.
In fact, if he (Zach) suddenly started coming on to her in a romantic way. Trying to snuggle up to her, maybe ask for a good luck kiss, I think it would throw her into such a state, she wouldn't be able to play Part Two. Find the weakness and exploit it. Her weakness is being near Zach. Ironic when her words might echo what Jen said to Dick the first comp. (don't let the old guy touch me)
If Dick had studied Zach and knew his weakness, then Dick would continue to harp on that one thing. That is why I don't see Dick as the best player ever. He is a one trick pony and his one trick is working in the house of....well in the house where not much depth has been observed.
And that is why I see D & D mowing down all competitors and can appreciate their knowledge of the game and that they have a plan and are following it to the win. But, I don't see them as extraordinary players.
OH Ya and I totally agree with the assessment that... "it is just a game" IF THEY ARE IN CONTROL but if you do what they would have (and have) done then you are $#!T for not following your word.
IT is ALL a game they should take the bad against them as they expect people to take what they dish out.
Just a reminder for those who think that Zach has been there "just to play the game" -- Zach said many times that he hopes to end up with at least one of the girls' phone numbers and that they could strike up a relationship., i.e. he told Jessica that he would like to see her again after the competition and that was after she had already had her shomance with Eric. He also tried to pick up on Danielle after Nick left. He was making eyes with Jen in the beginning too. He came right out and said that was his goal - to meet someone (long term). I don't remember him trying to pick up on Amber, but then she was too busy with Dustin or crying (annoying).
BTW -- is Dustin gay? It's probably not politically correct but I was just curious. Not that I care, but since he had a past relationship with Joe I assumed he was, but then he kept talking about a girlfriend back home. (just curious)
Lets not make Zach out to be too innocent and Mr. Goodie 2 Shoes. That was his trick to look good for the ladies, probably even ones at home too for that matter. Based on the sympathy from some of the comments, it may have worked some. JMHO.
I spent 34 years as a flight attendant, and some of the things that were said to me would put Dick's rants in the minor league. When Joe in NY says that there's a little of Dick in all of us, my long experience working with people certainly bears that out.
Zack was only on the block once and D/D saved him with help from E/J. To the extent that AP vote dictated what E did, maybe AP vote did help, but D/D were adamant about keeping Zack because they were an alliance of 3.
And, changing topics from earlier when everyone got mad, can Zack fans at least acknowledge that Zack was in an alliance (a very successful one) with D/D?
IMHO IMHO IMHO
If you are part of the team, you can't pick and choose what responsibility you have for the team effort. Zack benefits from Dick's bullying, so Zack is responsible for it as well. The 3 of them should have just congratulated each other on a job well done rather than telling each other that the other one was wrong.
Teller gets killed by 1 member of a 3 member gang during a robbery. Who goes to jail for the murder? All 3 of them, equally.
I find many of these comments interesting, it seems almost all of you think lying is okay, but being rude is bad? Frankly I don't see one any better than the other. You are not going to win this game unless you sink to these low depth.
Okay just ignore that long winded post of mine just a few minutes ago. I posted without reading the latest comments and didn't realize an all out war of words and idealogies was going on. Interesting debate however.
Joe, you are the man of the hour, aren't you. You stir us up and make us examine our true thoughts instead of just posting the first thing off our heads. I don't think you actually are saying that because we live in a Democracy that self is paramount to society. I think it might be to many in the Society, but absolutes bother me and I don't think everyone puts self first. (and didn't Dick have this convo with Amber and her dog already?) I read that you see the world that way and that you state it is your opinion. I see that many in the world are as you say, but I live with hope that not all are. That is my opinion on it.
I also like (love seems a little too familiar, for two posters who just past in the night) your posts and observations. And the mental exercise they produce.
ohh i am so sad that dick lost to zach. that guy is a total weirdo. i agree w/ all the other comments, danielle will kill zach if it is a mental type competition. hes gotta be sooooo tired after that! hopefully they will move right along so he doesnt get anytime to recover!! go ed, go danielle!!
joe--I read your words everyday and I know you probably didn't mean to offend anyone, however.... As I have listened to the horrific way D has spoke to people and the demeaning way he has treated people the thought that someone could think there is a part of that in me is offensive. Some things Dick has said have hurt those people to the core(Zach even commented about that this morning to Dani who responded with mmmmm). I could not imagine ever talking to ANYONE LIKE THAT!! I have said Dick is vile, disrespectful and needs some parenting classes---does that make me a "dick"---in YOUR opinion-- but not mine.
I believe early in the game BB should have put a stop to Dick's behavior to the other HG but they didn't and that gave Dick "open range". Did other HG say awful things? Yes, but not to their face so they weren't hurt by it. This type of behavior comes too easily to Dick to not be a part of his everyday life outside the house--maybe not to this degree--but still.....
AND DANI.....how could you be soooo cold as to not give your dad a kiss and say "I love you" after you watched him endure that for 7 hours to prove to himself and you that he would do anything for your acceptance!?!
Thanks so much Jackie-- I tried to stay with you but by 2a.m. I was done!!!
I'm still hoping Dick and Danielle win it all with Danielle winning first place and her Dad second. I do think they're closer and she helped her Dad by winning competitions and POV's etc as much as he helped her and while he thinks his mouthing off was an advantage and who knows, i'm sure it didnt make things much easier for her. Ppl kept Dick around assuring themselves that he would be easy to beat come jury time and so if one of the D's had to go it would be Danielle. That had to be hard. I hear alot of Danielle is whiney and manipulative talk but I've seen every house guest behave badly (jameeka calling Dicks Mom a bitch..don't believe Dicks Mom was bad mouthing her....Zack now says he lost all the competitions on purpose and has a whole I'm number 2..under the radar mentallity and while he'll say what an awful person Dick is..he didn't feel morally upset about it enough to vote him off...just kept flying under the guns while Dick and Danielle took the hits..and now he says he'd bring Jameeka with him to final 3 cause he wants her to have a chance..no its cause its your only hope to be #2. It was a tough competition last night..congrates to Dick for hanging in there so long..if Danielle was up there that late do you think her Dad would have told her to give up?? i dont think so so why blame her for that too? really ppl..be a little fair and i'd challenge any of us to be under that stressful a competition with camera's on us 24/7 and we'll see how whiney we all are and we wont be a young..Danielle never personally attacked anyone..competed to the best of her ability in competitions, not hid from them..she deserves to win and i wish her good luck in part two. Dick and Danielle final two :p i hope.
My major problem with the Donatos being final 2 is that they will take the 500k and 50k, and split 275k to each of them. Also it's a lock and does not matter at all who the jury picks as the winner. This is completely unfair to the game and would never happen unless it was a parent/child team, which is why I hope they never do such a team in the future. I prefer either of the Donatos with Zach because at least the Jury's vote will matter and one person will get 50k, and the other 500k. Then there is a true winner, whether it be a donato or Zach, I just don't want 2 first place winners who can say/do whatever they want because nobody has power over them and there can be no retribution for past ills because once again, it doesn't matter! I prefer that the jury be used because if it's the donatos in the final 2, the jury can go ahead and go home and CBS can skip the final episode, just like they could have skipped the PoV last night.
Nana in the nw... the one thing i feel i need to address in you comment is, how is it any better for the hgs to bash each other behind their backs? Do you think that they'll be any less hurt by seeing it weeks later on tv? at least if its in person they get a chance to defend themselves.
philip, i completely disagree. there is no way that dani is splitting that money 50/50 if she wins. i think that if dick wins, he'll give more to dani than she would give him, but even then it wouldnt be 50/50.
I, for one, am starting to believe all the rumors that the D&D team has been planned all along. Dick said it took him "three years" to get to this point. Their supposed feud has been going on for "two years." And now they're thrown in the house together supposedly "enemies" yet they starting scheming together in, what, two days? Give me a break. The other houseguests were just too stupid to realize they were being played. CBS may have thought the fix in the game was America's Player - but it was these two all along.
By the way, Dick's childish ranting last night was ridiculous. He only had about three points to make - and he made them over and over and over and... Ugh. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but who is "Sweets"?
How does anyone KNOW what any of the 3 would do with the money? Did they tell you personally from the BB house? Everyone can speculate all they want but no one knows what they would do and how can anyone post what dani feels or doesn't feelfor her father. UGH! Donna in Florida (another Donna posting so had to add the Florida)
I agree. I also hopes Zach wins. I do not like ED's constant verbal abuse or intimidation tactics. Words hurt more than physical abuse and the pain last longer.
Another comment that I don't see anyone has made (sorry if I missed it) -- You'll never convince me that Dick is a horrible man. Yes he has a fowl mouth, BUT........ I think he showed a lot of love and respect for his daughter. He threw himself under the bus in order to have people vote him off instead of Danielle. Afterwards he apologized, and he never spoke so badly to Jamicka after that and never went that far. I have seen his worst tirades (?sp) only at the time where he is despirate to protect his daughter and to keep her in the game. Can someone who has been there for her all along be absolutely horrible? No -- In my opinion. A man without a heart would have just cared about himself.
Ok, Joe, you've ruined this blog for me. I really dont think Jackie would approve of your constant digging at people and telling them what they are. We are what we are, not what you say we are. I have stopped reading your posts. You are ignored. Sorry, you went too far. You are not always right.
MaggieMay, Just because Dick was willing to "throw himself under the bus" in this game to further Danielle does not make him a good father or a good person. Anyone who could abuse people so easily the way he has in the house has got to be like that in real life. It comes too easily to him. What makes you think he's always been there for her? Danielle herself said he hasn't been and she lived with his mom not him. Even if he had always been around - subjecting a child to the kind of behavior he has shown in the house (even if it was only a very mild version) is ABUSE and certainly does not make him a good parent.
I, for one, have never commented on Dick's life or behavior outside of the house. I can't comment on those things because I don't know anything about them, and I'm not really interested enough to do any extensive research on the subject. My comments and opinions of Dick have all been related to what I have seen of his behavior inside the house. For all I know, I could absolutely love the guy if I met him here in the real world. What I do know for sure is that I abhor what I see of him in that house. I'm sure I've said this previously, but it's not even the things he's done for strategy purposes, it's his behavior where there is no real game purpose at all. Pouring tea on Jen, constantly calling women in the house bitches and c**ts, extremely poor sportsmanship, not only does he lose badly, he wins badly also.
I have not read through every post so forgive me if I repeat... I was just thinking how self-absorbed is Daniele that she couldn't even congratulate her father or thank him. He spent 8 hours standing on a carrot in a torrential downpour pretty much all for her. Iyiyi... If they make it to the final two, I'm not even watching the finale. What's the point? It Dick wins, he's giving Daniele a wad of cash. If Daniele wins, she's giving Dick some of the money (I say some because we all know a selfish child like her is SO not going to give up a big chunk). I'm hoping it's going to be Zach & Dick in the end... I'd hate to see a floater win, but I'd hate to see D&D go home with EVERYTHING.
Good morning Holly--or afternoon your time. Called in sick?? Good for you enjoy your day and your baby. They grow up so quickly.....
You are probably right. I would hope though when they see them on TV it will be in the context of the game and be viewed more objectively than comments made in the heat of anger.
Sorry Phillip I have to disagree. I DO NOT believe Dani will share her money equally. Comments she has made throughout the show lead me to believe that she thinks much is owed to her because of her disfunctional family. She has talked about going to Europe for a month, buying a car, finding somewhere to live, getting a season pass to Disneyland,and going shopping.
Now Dick will be more generous. I think he will spend some on "things" in an effort to regain his youth(he wants a red sports car and would like to go to Europe with Dani but she told him no), but he will also share with his Mom and children.
Zach has talked several times about using the money to repay student loans and start a business (which I believe has to do with the preservation of dolphins).
Donna you asked how can we know what Dani feels toward her dad?? She has told us numerous times on the feeds. Sometimes body language speaks louder than words, also. He has asked her several times to go to counseling and she tells him to go by himself.
Anon 1:44--sweets is Zach's ex-gf. She broke up with him right before the show and he is hoping she will be waiting for him when the show is over.
I'm not the biggest fan of Jen, but how do you all think Dick would've reacted if there were another person in the house abusing Daniele like he was abusing Jen (or the other HG's, for that matter)? Would he have treated Jen like that if HER father were around?
I don't know about the rest of you but I was up till 5:30 in the morning watching the comp. It was exhausting for me just sitting here. It must have been Hell for the HG's being up there for 7 hours. After that both of them deserve to go to the finals.
And as for us all having a little Dick in us, I don't think so buddy. We have all argued over the past couple of months mostly about Dick but none of us have sunk to his level of vulgarity and believe me we could have. No, were not playing for money and therefore don't really have as big a interest in winning as the HG's do but still, we could have. I've visited other sites and the degree that those people degrade anyone who disagrees with them would amaze you. It's easier to say mean things to people when you're not looking them in the eye and hiding behind a computer monitor. All most of us are saying is that Dick didn't have to go to such extremes. And yes, Z did get in Dick's face last night, mocking him and laughing at him, but to his credit, all he would have had to do was bring up the incest comments made by some of the other HG's and Dick would have been so mad he would have falled off the carrot.
dear anonymous..yes i believe we are watching the same show..they've ALL said some mean stuff and i cant think of when shes fought with anyone other than her dad..and everyone is willing to point out how awful Dick behaves and then turns around and acts like she's worse. We dont know their history. I'm still just going to keep on routing for them and hope they both walk away richer and after reading all the horrid posts about themselves hopefully wiser too..all that said tho..they worked for this win ..in my opinion and i wish them luck.
I have never said I am always right. I have never said I am more right than anyone. I didn't even (contrary to rumor) tell anyone in particular that they are anything in particular.
I did make a comment about the basic human condition. I backed it up with as many examples and as careful an analysis as I could. You are free to agree, disagree, or simply ignore.
But, again, I've taken more personal hits in this exchange than anyone and I'm not upset.
Will someone please explain why my opinion about the natural selfishness of human beings (of which I am one!) should be construed as such a personal attack by so many people? What I have suggested about people being self-centered isn't even necessarily negative - unless you interpret it as such - and has been observed and discussed by dozens of philosophers and psychologists for centuries.
I am self-centered, so are all of you, there is nothing wrong with that. We protect self & family, followed by Community - BUT IN THAT ORDER! Personally, I don't want to associate with anyone who would put the interests of their community above their child.
You might hate Dick's vulgarity but, aside from that, isn't he just like your parents: he would sacrifice everything for the love of his daughter! He doesn't care if the other HGs hate him, if America hates him, he just wants to protect Danielle. He's not clever enough to do it with sweet lies like Will, so he does it with crude vulgarities. But his motivation is just the same self-centered impulse that we all possess.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING SELF-CENTERED, so how can that be an insult?
can i make a suggestion here? the best way to deal with people who annoy you is to ignore them. just don't reply to the posts that bother you. the double d fans are going to see things one way and the zach fans another. nothing any of us posts is going to change the is are going to change the others opinion. -jeannemarie
"According to Freud, we are born with our Id. The id is an important part of our personality because as newborns, it allows us to get our basic needs met. Freud believed that the id is based on our pleasure principle. In other words, the id wants whatever feels good at the time, with no consideration for the reality of the situation. When a child is hungry, the id wants food, and therefore the child cries. When the child needs to be changed, the id cries. When the child is uncomfortable, in pain, too hot, too cold, or just wants attention, the id speaks up until his or her needs are met.
The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction. If you think about it, babies are not real considerate of their parents' wishes. They have no care for time, whether their parents are sleeping, relaxing, eating dinner, or bathing. When the id wants something, nothing else is important."
This is Dick - the uncensored, undeveloped id (which Freud believes is part of all of us)
joe I don't think anybody is upset about Dick's need to protect his daughter and some of the lengths he goes to do that. It's all the rest....
calling Jam a stupid b*tch for no reason
saying things about Zach to insure his gf will not be around when this is over
his total disrespect for other HG--spitting everywhere,farting, burping,blowing smoke around them
Those behaviors were not done to protect Dani.
Sherry--Dani doesn't have to be mean...she runs and tells her dad and lets him to it...all the while she is in the background smiling or laughing. It has happened several times in the house.
Well I'll say this for Dick he certainly illicits a strong reaction from people! It appears people either love him or hate him intensly!
Joe, I've tried to refrain from responding to your comments but are you really surprised with the reactions? You told people on this blog that you think they are like a person they despise and you don't understand why they are upset with you? Are you doing this on purpose just to pick a fight? You said: "Isn't he just like your parents?" Holy crap are you kidding!
I never said I approved of Dick at all. I never defended Dick. I don't think he needs my defense.
All I said is that a lot of people were taking pleasure in Dick's pain and taking shots at Dani. (and, to be fair, taking shots at Zack yesterday). I only said that the desire to take pleasure in Dick's demise stems from the same id impulse that causes Dick's rants (unless he is faking them).
Apparently, hatred of Dick is so deep that suggesting that we are all (including Dick) part of the same human species was somehow construed as an insult!
Joe, you wrote that you are giving your opinion, but your voice comes through as a statement. Not a harsh thing for me to say. Just an observation. I also often lecture and get the same reaction. Within myself,though, I am just expressing my thoughts and I realize they are usually in the minority of any conversational group.
That sweetness out of the way. Here is my issue with Dick's gameplay, using last night's comp as an example to back up my theory.
His object was, I assume, to distract Zach into losing concentration and with it the comp. If Zach fell off, Dick would tell Dani to jump off and get warm and he would win the first part of comp with Dani and Zach competing in Part 2, of which Dani is an expert. If he had just been working for himself, he would have done what endurance comps require. A person has to 'go within themselves', ignore everything, do multiplication tables silently, anything that blocks out the misery. Dick might have done that if he hadn't had to watch Dani's back. He knew because of her that he needed to get Zach out quickly. All good playing tactics. But, he misjudged his target (Zach) and that is why I don't think Dick is that great of a player. He could be, he has many of the talents, but he missed a crucial one. He didn't consider it was Zach. Zach, who has told them he feels alone. (D & D took that as humor and made fun of it instead of using it to bash him...again, not smart of them) If Dick has used kindness last night, if Dick had been friendly and asked Zach to tell him about his project, done anything to open Zach up, Z may have become so involved in a conversation that he would have missed a step. He almost certainly would have been talking and that was Dick's goal..to get Zach to respond to something D was saying. Joe, you say we are all Dick's in our own way, and I understand what you mean when you say that. But, don't confuse how society in general behaves with the role a wayward father is playing on TV. He made the appearance of helping his daughter, but all he did was hurt himself. Daniele must have known he would do that, and as good a player as she is, she too missed that it wasn't the way to help Zach. As soon as the whole thing was over, and she realized there is a good chance she will be at the end with Zach, she cooked for him and was the sweet Daniele. That is good play, too.
And yes, many people use the same manipulation in real life. But, what if everyone doesn't? What if there are some people in the world who sincerely want to offer someone a cup of coffee? I don't think we'll find them on a reality TV show, but searching for them can make life worthwhile.
joe in ny, Thankfully most of us mature and learn that we can't live our lives like infants concerned only with satisfying our most basic needs and primal urges. Sadly Dick may not have progressed that much but even infants don't intentionally hurt others like Dick does.
No, I'm not kidding. In that context (as parent) Dick is like every GOOD parent I know - uncompromising and unrelenting in defense of their child.
I never said (and never meant to imply) that we are all IDENTICAL to Dick. And I never included language choice in the discussion.
All I said is that Dick is our uncontrolled, uncensored id and we all have one.
It just seemed ironic that people this morning were saying "good that mean, nasty Dick with all his pompous poor sportsmanship lost". Such gloating by people over supposedly inferior Dick's demise seemed just the same kind of boasting and meanness that they claim to see in Dick!
Now, personally, I wouldn't try to stop it, but I just wanted to point out to people that they were expressing the same part of their psyche that Dick needs to learn to control. That got a little exaggerated as the day wore on, but I still don't think there's anything wrong with my original premise or with people being selfish.
I understand that people hate Dick, but can anyone really say they have no little self-centered, self-indulgent spot inside themselves that we all try to supress so we seem like a team player. Heck, people were complaining on the board that Bush might interfere with BB - that's a perfect illustration of the (self-centered) pleasure principle at work: the direction of national politics is less important than my personal love of BB!
I admit to the flaw in myself. Apparently the suggestion that we are all flawed strikes a nerve with people, but I think that proves my point. We all want to believe that are morality is unquestionable.
I've never defended Dick as the ideal. And I've never said that we are just like Dick. I just said we have that little Dick part of us that we repress until it leaks out on boards.
Freud agrees with me (as do other philosophers), so I guess I'll just hide behind their credibility for now.
Sydney, I can see where Joe is coming from. Some commenters, mostly anons, are so intense in their hatred for D&D, in particular, that it's a little frightening. What Joe has said is mild compared to them. I wouldn't want to know them in real life because they're NOT playing a game.
They usually end their vicious remarks with "It's only a game" or "Jackie, thank you for the great blog", like that's supposed to excuse all the hatred they just spewed.
I've been a part of this blog for almost two years, and maybe I'm wrong but this season it seemed to be more of these "haters" than last year. It gets a little uncomfortable at times when you get personally attacked. I know Jackie gets on their case very quickly and that stops it for awhile, but pretty soon their back with each comment getting worse.
I know I've "lost it" myself a couple of times, but then I try to keep it civil. Several posters don't. It just didn't seem to be as enjoyable this season because of them.
Maybe Joe saying "all" are a Dick is a bit harsh, but he's not so far off about some. Just my opinion!
I never meant it to end up as a psych lesson. I just tried to make the analogy between Dick's uncontrolled impulses and some of the more negative posts on here. Somehow it all exploded when people thought I was calling them Dicks - which I really wasn't. (I just called part of them Dicks, which is a subtle but important distinction!)
Yall need to make up your damn minds, you don't like what Joe has to say about the HG's, then tell him to hush it up, then tell him to come back.
Agree to disagree. Agree a line has been drawn in the sand.
Dick is intense and controversial, that is what makes him interesting. Because I have a psychology background, I have found his tactics very interesting. And I do believe each and every one of us would do anything for our children. I would. I have seen my parents rip people to pieces in defense of me and my sisters. They may have not used every other bad word out there, but it happened. That's all Joe is trying to make people see. It's an instinct we all have.
Open your minds and respect other people's opinions.
Someone up above said how bad Dick talked to and about people and then in the same breath said, sure others talked bad but not in front of the person. Wow! So it is okay to talk bad about someone if it's behind their back? I would rather someone say it to my face and then we can settle the score right there.
I respect your opinion, and even agree with it to some point. I know that either of my parents would lay down their lives for me, but they would never treat another human being as cruelly as Dick has treated some of his house mates. Now, if someone physically assulted me, I'm sure my father would lose his mind, but Dick took it to that level unwarrented (IMO).
There are other ways he could have provoked the other HG's without attacking so personally. I would love to see what his game play would have been if he wasn't 'protecting' his daughter. Same goes for her game play if she didn't have someone to run and hide behind.
Keep on voicing your opinions....that is what we're here for!
I can't figure some of you people, it's okay to lie but don't call someone names to shake them up and get them mad. Well it is okay to call them names as long as you do it behind their back and not face to face. I think many of you just don't like Dick because of his hair, nails, tattoos and other assorted mannerisms. You would rather have a more wholesome winner like Z.
Joe said: "It just seemed ironic that people this morning were saying "good that mean, nasty Dick with all his pompous poor sportsmanship lost". Such gloating by people over supposedly inferior Dick's demise seemed just the same kind of boasting and meanness that they claim to see in Dick!"
to nana nw almost everyone in the house has taken advatage of dicks bad behaviour..either to keep him around for an easy jury win or to get rid of someone else first..after all he's so mean why not give him an easy $50000 if it means you'll get more. ..why is danielle his 20 yr old child supposed to parent him to better ethics or be any more responsible for him being there than anyone else.
I was a fan of Dick in the beginning. I felt sorry for him being estranged from Danielle and hoped they could work things out. Unfortunately his unbelievably offensive behavior in the house has totally changed my opinion of him. I still hope he and Danielle patch up their relationship but I don't have any respect for him anymore. Game or not he is disgusting.
There you go again another person likes lying better than some verbal abuse. Now since I think about it a little more, lying can get be more detrimental than verbal abuse. Well that is unless a person is too delicate for a little verbal abuse or unless the verbal abuse hits home.
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Oh Happy Day!!!!!
oh jackie...you are a brave and valiant warrior, yourself.
thank you.
now i can sleep.
-Suze
Let's all stay up for part 2!
Just Joking now I might be able to sleep.
thanks for the updates.
Now, this is funny ... my alarm clock just went off. Time for me to get up!
nooooooo napping Jackie heheheee
Thank you Jackie!
~Susan
You know I have not used an alarm clock within the last 10 yrs, My body became accustom to waking up every 3- 4 hrs regardless, therefore I stopped simply because my mind wouldn't relax, knowing the alarm would sound off in order to wake me up, Perhaps I'm weird.
Thanks (( Jackie )))
I can't help but imagine if it were the other way around, do you think Dick would be quiet like Zach? Or, do you think he'd be gloating, name-calling, the usual Dick stuff..?
~Susan
I was due to get up at 6:30 AM for my grandkids and school....woke up at 5:30 after going to bed at 12;30, just couldn't listen to Dick any longer on Showtime, he was really making me ill. Even if Zach doesn't make it any further, God bless him...... this is enormous. Couldn't be happier. Was almost afraid to check in with your site Jackie, would have been devestated if Dick's tactics had won over last night. He is a sick, sick man!
Dick's yelling of obscenities at Zach all night must have taken a lot of energy out of him that he probably could have used to focus on the competition.
I was watching it last night and that was the first thing I thought about when he refused to STFU. He was expending so much energy with all that yelling and it was counter productive to his game.
I went to bed around 2 AM thinking that whoever survived that competition deserves to win the whole thing.
Britt
Rest up Dick. Give it your all for Part 2! A valiant effort!
Yeah Zach! When does Part 2 start? Jackie-you are wonderful for staying up all night!! Thank you, thank you!
Dick's yelling of obscenities at Zach all night must have taken a lot of energy out of him that he probably could have used to focus on the competition.
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Britt - Your right, I thought to myself last night Dick` shouldn't be wasting engery talking, it'll wear your lungs out, of course unless your a performer on stage, accustom to shouting dancing, running` haha, Zach` lost a lot of weight, he's also accustm to being in the water. I better get some work.. Time for coffee or tea..
If anyone was actually watching the live feeds they wouldn't be attacking either guy. They both held on for 7.5 hours in almost constant down pour. Dick looked as if he was about to go into shock and I'm surprised that BB let the comp go on as long as it did. They both did AWESOME!!!! For a 44yr old smoking, non working out man up against a 30 yr old health nut, Dick held his own very well. I think his mind would have continued on forever, but his body gave up on him... It was actually sad to watch them. Zack too looks very pale and is a bit twitchy... Not a very good comp... They should have done without the cold water....
Now with all that being said, I can only hope that Dick throws the second round to Dani and lets her go at Zack while he is weakend by this comp...
GO DONATOS!
Sounds like a great plan to me, Deanna.
Thank you Jackie - You know that you are the best. Sorry it isn't more, but I am going to paypal right now for a donation to you.
I really hope you don't have to go to work today.............maybe a sick day?
Kelly
Thanks Joy! Glad to see ya!
It was a long hard fought battle. Both men did well, however Zach realizes odd's are stacked high against him, he wasn't going to quit, unlike Mike Boogie did last yr, of course Janie turned and that ended comp early. Dani might have better advantage in round..
yes i would think that dick should let dani win round 2, and then go against zach for round 3. she is usually pretty good at the true false stuff but....
i still want a donato to take it all.
i hope she finishes in enough time to get the car.
remember last year janelle did not have the upper body strength that boogie had ... dick may be worn out at this point. i am amazed he held on as long as he did.thanks for watching and reporting all night jackie
64 degrees in LA... BB lucky there was no major hypothermia, even the miltary checks body temps on soldiers in cold water conditions after some deaths.
If Zach wins....it is another floater winning again.he only came alive at the end cuz others were not doing the work for him.
D&D go..they are true comparers
I meant competitioners ..grr the morning thing lol
Dick only yelled for maybe an hour. I think BB told him to stop it because they went into a feed block and came out silent on their stumps.
And, yes ... I don't have to work today. No way could I have done it otherwise!
Jackie, I have been reading and loving your blog for years but have never posted...but upon waking up at 6:15 this morning (after reading your play-by-play until 2:15) and seeing your post at 5:29, I have to say THANK YOU! You are awesome! I hope you get a chance to get some sleep today.
Judy near Philadelphia
G'morning Jackie & everyone. Jackie, an off-topic question: In past seasons, I was under the impression that making "deals" or promises to "share" the winnings was absolutely against the rules. Yet, Dick has openly said he plans to share his winnings with Daniele.
Any thoughts?
THANK YOU GOD!!! althought i don't like zach i dislike the double dicks even more!!! -jeannemarie
I have to give props to Dick for lasting as long as he did. He really wanted to do it for his daughter, but being a smoker (and I know how it feels when you really want a cigarette)and 14 years older than Zach, he did amazingly well. Now he should give the next one to Dani because she is better at questions than he is. I must say on the show, it did seem that Dick was putting a lot of pressure on Dani to win the POV. I'm surprised she didn't crumble against the pressure.
I'll be one of the very few here to say.....
D&D to the end!
Still have faith in D&D. One of the next has to be trivia.
Come on D&D !
does this mean the double d's now compete against each other for part two?? -jeannemarie
I wasn't attacking Dick, I was making an observation. I think he did great. I watched it on Showtime and I saw Dick yelling for at least an hour and my point is simply that I think it was a mistake to expend so much energy shouting obscenities at Zach in an attempt to intimidate him or throw him off his game.
I will say it again so we're all clear: I think Dick did great.
Yea! Go Zachary!
Does anyone else think Dick will throw the next competition to Daniele. She's really the only one that is competition to Zach at the end.
Thanks for the blog, Jackie
Jackie..you did good girl! I was up until 5 (because I couldn't go to sleep) and kept checking in although I didn't post anymore. Then of course half hour later its over. Both deserve accolades but Dick moreso, since he is older. I'm still glad Zack won tho.
Dick should just give the 2nd comp to Danielle so she can compete against Zack in the final comp. Last year it was quite elaborate with Boogie and Janelle on hanging ropes and having to fly around lining up lazer beams to mirrors. Janelle admitted it was really physical. Wonder if this second one will be the same?
Thanks again Jackie...go to bed! Maybe you already have.
Sorry about the last post. Didn't read the others before I posted.
Dick can rant & rave & cuss at Zack all he wants, all it's doing is wearing him out, because Zack doesn't seem to be affected by anything Dick says to him anyways
I was a D/D fan (well, not that i was a fan of theirs, i just wanted them to win) because i felt like they played the game from the beginning, & had a huge target on their backs - but the last couple of days, they have been so smug about winning, I would love to see Zack go up against either one of them in the final HOH, just to knock some of that smugness out
well, now D/D go into the 2nd comp together - wouldn't it be funny if BB did another elaborate (think volcano) comp & after the first couple of minutes D/D make a deal & one bows out ??
Somebody mentioned that Zach will be too worn down to compete well in part 3,but they have to play part 2 yet and it will give him plenty of time to recoup his energy and get ready. I fully expect dick to throw the comp and let Dani win. I hope Zach toasts her!
Great job,Zach and,oh yeah,good job for an old man with a filthy mouth.I am so surprised that the control room finally made him stop.
jackie and all the faithful,I am so surprised and thankful that you all hung in there to bring us quitters the news.....lol. Get some serious sleep.
D&d could still put it off..one of them will win the second part. If they win at the third part..Zach still could be gone.
Sorry I haven't like Zach from the start..he is a floater
Im not really a Zach fan..well not until now..and not for any reason other then, he hasn't done anything major, he's just been there..but after the was Dick acted after Daniele won POV, and the way the 2 have been acting since Jess and Eric have left, not even trying to hide from the others that it's their house..i want Zach to win HOH this week and put one of them up..just to rub it into D&D's face..he'd prolly win against either of them, heck at this point i'd pick Jennoying over either of them..
Go Zach...
Lyss
Thanks Jackie, for starting my day off in such a great way. I am so happy for Zach. He has really handled himself amazingly well in this house. Go Zach!!!
-Kelly
Thanks so much Jackie, I stayed up as long as I could, 3am; but YOU made it the whole time to report to us!!
Jackie, you're the BEST!!
Thanks again for all you do; hope you get some sleep this morning!
Janice/GA
Sharon-- I would hope Zach could rest, but if they follow right away with comp 2 Dick could just throw it in minutes to Dani and they'd be on to comp 3... just a thought. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd ask Jackie but I imagine she's napping right now.
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What a production! Boogie's wasted volcano is vindicated by BB's comp architects.Simple but effective. Not to mention the human drama of it all.
# I know Daniele 'finally' told her dad it was okay to quit..., I just heard it in that martyr voice that meant, 'if you are too weak, I guess it is okay to quit' which is more of a slap than a help. She really likes him to be her fall guy. Valiant effort made by Dick. Today will be very rough on him. He will need time to heal and instead will have the constant chattering Dani by his bedside.
#Zach seemed to be as bothered by the elements as a huge tree in the forest is by a rainstorm.
#A question for those who like and those who don't like Dick's game plan. He has said in the past his play would be different, if Dani weren't there. How would he have played the endurance if she were not in the house? In your opinions?
# One thing about Zach as a floater. I saw Amber as a floater because she didn't win things and seemed to just 'go with the flow'. She had an alliance, so maybe that kept her from floating? The main reasoning given by the Ds about Zach being floater is that 'there were always bigger fish to fry'. Those fish were there to be fried because Zach kept himself out of the frying pan. And that took some doing. Mike didn't do it, and was gone. Zach did and stayed. Every time he might have gone, someone directed the hgs to another one to be evicted. If that happened like with Amber, where she wasn't doing anything to help herself, that is floating. But, if Zach managed to be out of mind, then that is game playing. I didn't watch enough of the early game to know if he was just left behind or if he worked it.
# Dick's tirades (not just toward Zach, but all of them through the last weeks) would have just made me stronger, instead of weakening as he intends. I think his game plan has been working and can't take that away from him. He only has the one level of warfare, though. A good player has to know their opponent and change the assault with the target. I haven't seen that with him. He seems a one shot kind of Dick to me. I think he hasn't met his match in the house and that might make him the best gamer in the house, but it doesn't make him a smart player.
Thank you Jackie (I am whispering so as not to wake you) You are sleeping, aren't you? You aren't at work, are you? You need a day off! Sue
Underdog pulled it off! You go boy!
Kudos to ED for sticking it out so long!
My guess is ED will throw part two to Danielle and part 3 will be Zack and Dan. I can only hope that Zack has the ability to beat Dan so he can pick who to go to finals with.
Thanks Jackie, another awesome year of BB blogging! You make the BB season worth watching!
Snickers
""64 degrees in LA... BB lucky there was no major hypothermia, even the miltary checks body temps on soldiers in cold water conditions after some deaths""
I would have to agree here, I watched also all nite till I fell asleep at 2. Dick was really making me sick to my stomach. I could not believe that tyrade he was on. He never ONCE that I saw ask Dani if she was ok. I think Zach deserves to win just for the plain fact that for the longest time he was able to block Dick out. I saw the men holding the water sprayers, they must have had a hard time being quiet thru all that. I hope noone actually gets sick or "hurt" so to speak. that was awful conditions for them.
Then, I saw Dick say he was gonna "pee" so get the water ready. They should have let him stand in his own Pee and not spray him.
I also agree with anon about Dick throwing teh comp to Cani, I bet he may....I cant see him trying to beat her. I also wouldnt doubt for a MINUTE that he tries to also "intimidate" her. Ya never know what your gonna get with ED.
PHEW, I guess I had alot to say...lol
It's true that Zach floated in the first 1/2 of the game, but he's turned it on when it counted. I think he deserves to be there as much as anyone. Plus it must be hard with the whole house shunning him. He's basically been all along all season. I think he's the one person in there that didn't come in to "make friends", "have fun", or anything else, but he came in here to play the game.
Neal
what wondeful news this morning!!!!
Go Zach!!!
(for the record I actually liked D and D the first couple weeks)Now,I can't stand them!
Yeah Zach!!
Part 2 should go quickly because the Donato's will decide which one of them will "win" & go up against Zach in Part 3. I aplaud Zach for standing up to Dick like everyone should have weeks ago. Zach seems to have figured out that silence is what is going to beat Dick. Accepting that Dick is just an a$$ & ignoring his tirades is the key to beating him.
I used to be a huge Dick fan & now I recognize him as the a$$ he is. I know many people just like him & just do not want him to win. I regret supporting him in the beginning. I think if we (us people who took a while to see him for what he is) would have figured it out sooner maybe we could have given Eric ammo to get him out? I don't know if it would have worked but it's a nice thought!
Angi
Danielle is a loser!!! She should have been gone from the game a long time ago. What a sore sport. Gimme a break. Go whine to your daddy some more.
First let me say thanks to Jackie for hanging in there all night. I have to give props to Dick for hanging in so long, he looked half dead up there for a very long time. You could just tell that Zach wasn't letting go of that key no matter what.
I think its safe to say that Dick will throw part 2 to Dani. I hope he at least puts a little effort into it though. The winner of part 3 will all boil down to what kind of comp it is.
Rbennie
sydney I also agree to
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Debbons
GO ZACH KICK DANIELLES BUTT
We can't thank you enough, Jackie, for all you've done! Now for a few winks to keep me going for the day. ;) Gotta rest up for part 2!
Thanks so much Jackie, your screen caps are awesome. I feel like you deserve a drowned fake rabbit as a gift for all your tireless work on this blog.
GO ZACK!!!!
I said it long ago: Dick is an a**. And his daughter has not fallen that far from the tree. I cannot wait until I never have to see or hear either of them again on my television set.
All right! Here we go!
WAY TO GO ZACH!!!
Just because Zach didn't succumb to Dick's filthy comments doesn't mean he wasn't affected by them. He said to Danielle "It sucks all the things that your dad said. It really bothered me" Words, even when they are untrue, are powerful and can be painful and damaging. That is why I dislike Dick so much. Just because his abuse is verbal and not physical doesn't make it any less hurtful, in fact I think the wounds caused by verbal abuse are much worse because some never heal.
What was with the showtime delay? Was watching until the end, and Dick & Zach still at it, but then find out comp was over 1/2 hour before showtime ended.
Deanna you're absolutely right, for those who didn't watch the whole thing, that was amazing. 58 degree water pouring on them. Zach is a health nut, Dick is not. 7 1/2 hours is long time to be standing in that kind of down pour plus wind blowing on them.
Dick didn't go on his rants for that long, they both got quiet. Kudos to both of them
So now we look forward to part 2 and 3.
Part 2. -usually a puzzle or timed comp. the winner goes to part 3
Part 3.- usually a question comp.
Has Dick been reprimanded this season for his behavior?
Anonymous said...
What was with the showtime delay? Was watching until the end, and Dick & Zach still at it, but then find out comp was over 1/2 hour before showtime ended.
Were you watching the west coast ShoToo? The comp went until 5:30 am, ShoToo typically shows the house from 9:00pm to midnight. There must have been a bit of a delay, as Daniele went out after midnight and it was shown in the first hour of the SHoToo show. Maybe ShoToo showed midnight to 3:00am. The comp still went on a couple hours beyond that.
Anonymous said...
Has Dick been reprimanded this season for his behavior?
I doubt it, I'm guessing it was encouraged.
Wow! Go Zach! I was so disgusted by the previous happenings in the house with Jess and Eric leaving that I didn't even watch last night's show.
I am thrilled Zach is doing so well. WHOO Hoo!!
Thanks for the updates, Jackie!
Petals said...
G'morning Jackie & everyone. Jackie, an off-topic question: In past seasons, I was under the impression that making "deals" or promises to "share" the winnings was absolutely against the rules. Yet, Dick has openly said he plans to share his winnings with Daniele.
Any thoughts?
I think it is against the rules to share or agree to split winnings with another player. But as a father he can probably "gift" his children money and get around that. I seem to remember hearing something about Rob and Amber from Survivor, something about she has to keep her winnings separate even though they are married. I don't know how they can enforce that.
thanks for the update jackie. sad (for my life) that this is the first thing i checked on the computer this morning LOL
you know what surprised me most about this competition? that cbs would run the water continuously. what would have been better is it is hit every so often, without their expectation or knowing it was coming.
i'm surprised no one gets sick from this. cbs should seriously be ashamed of themselves this entire season for so many things.
thanks for the update. will be interesting to see what happens next.
Does this mean that Zach will definitely be in the final 2?
anon 10:03... that is how they did it... water pounded them and then it stopped for a period and then started again. Dick even asked for it to start once because he had to "pee". And they started it again.
does anyone know when part 2 starts
anon 10:05... no Zack gets to sit out comp 2... As the winner of comp 1, he will play the winner of comp 2. Probably Daniele, because Dick and Daniele are going to play each other in #2 and Dick will probably throw it to Dani since she is so good in comps usually.
sorry...didn't answer the question. Whoever wins Comp 3 will choose who goes to the Final 2 with them. If Zack wins, he gets to decide which of the D's goes with him. If one of the D's wins comp 3... need I say more. Smile
OK orkmommy...where are you? I'm talking to myself.
Anonymous said...
Has Dick been reprimanded this season for his behavior?
yes
Meb,
You're not talking to yourself - I'm here! (crying softly) Clearly I don't count...
Thanks Meb. Now I can go to work (on west coast). :)
Joe in NY said...
For all of you that spew venom at any of the HGs - you ARE Dick!
IMHO - Hope you include yourself among those venom spewers.
Joe in NY also said...
All tonight's show proved is that Zack is an IDIOT!
I liked Jess in the middle when she wasn't a pouty biotch.
All Zack did is show himself to be as self-centered and arrogant a jerk as Dani!
"Zack is as evil as Dick" and "Zack is as arrogant as Dani". He's got the worst of everybody!!!
By the way, Dani is also an idiot
Zack is: A Moron Immoral Disloyal Unworthy
I made that Zach won part one of the competition. I don't want Zach to win part three of the competition or win bb8. I hope Daniele wins part two of the competion and evicts Zach. Zach is a floater. Zach's nomination speech was so stupid.
JOE DO YOU KNOW WHEN PART 2 IS
THANKS PEGGY
One of the Donatos should have won part one of the competition. I hate Zach, Zach should have been gone in week four.
Anon 10:35...
And your point is: I am Dick?
I don't deny it. I'm not pretending to any moral superiority to anyone. Zack supporters are, which they might well be - if they weren't also spewing venom.
I am Dick. I admit it. EVERYONE is Dick - even if it is only inside their minds because they don't want it to come out.
Human beings are self-centered, selfish, self-obsessed, self-indulgent, and self-righteous! That's why socialism failed, it expected people to put society ahead of self. WE NEVER DO!
I am honest about it - can you be?
P.S. I'm honored that you took the time to go back over all of my posts! It wasn't, of course, necessary as I freely admit to being Dick!
Peggy,
I only know what Jackie tells me! (Thanks Jackie)
I have no idea when Part II will be, but it has to be sometime today. The eviction is tomorrow and they'll want to show the comp + any negotiations after the comp, so they need time to edit.
Peggy,
I don't know when the 2nd comp will start but I think they will probably let D/D/Z have a few hours of sleep before the next challenge starts. Not to mention the behind the scenes folks will have to clean up the backyard from last night's wet and messy comp.
Even if it is a a Q & A comp my best guess would be a minimum of 6 hours but probably not until later tonight to accomdate the viewers of the live feeds.
Although it won't be live on TV I would think it will be a "Prime Time" event.
A number of people have said that Zack is a "health nut" like he was given a great advantage. If you've watched BB in the past, there has always been endurance comps as well as memory or thinking comps. It's not Zach's fault that Dick smokes like a chimney and is 44 years old (although 44 isn't old if you are in good shape and I believe someone at 44 who really took care of their body could beat someone younger). Big deal. Some people are better at the thinking parts and some are better at the athletic parts. Zach dealth with the physical abuse of the game and the mental abuse of Dick last night and came out on top. Dick's tactics stopped working on Zach a while ago. I know he's bothered (well, who wouldn't be? He shouted out the same dirty things a million times--but I think he set it in his mind not to let it affect the way he played) and he did a great job.
I, for one, wanted to jump through my TV screen and bash the crap out of Dick to make him stop. When Dani was still in the comp and they would pan over to her, she was chuckling at what her father was saying. I felt sorry that they lost, but honestly, they are not the kind of people I would ever consider knowing in real life. All I kept thinking while Dick was ranting at Zach last night was, um...have you not been listening to yourself for the past three months because your words have been so hateful/sexist/homophobic. I mean, what a hypocrite.
I'm glad Zach won. He's not a floater. He's a player. And he kicked ass.
I want it in writing that I'm no Dick.
Britt
Joe,
Everyone is Dick?? What a depressing theory. I agree no one is perfect and we all have faults, but we cannot all be Dick.
thank you lynn and joe for answering my question.peggy
Joe...no moral superiority? Calling Zach an idiot when you have NO idea of his IQ or mental capabilities. Just because YOU don't like his decision making skills,what makes you the pronouncer of his intelligence when you claim no superiority?
I don't like dick's behavior. That does not make ME dick. I have never acted like dick in my entire life. I don't spit in public,grope myself in public,use the foul language that flows freely from his lips or have I ever thrown iced tea on anyone! Don't make such broad statements you have no way of backing up. I resent you calling me names because I support someone other than your choice in this G A M E!!Talk about the hamsters NOT the posters in here,per Jackie!
Britt,
sure you are! :) (IMHO! :)
I don't mean everyone is as vulgar. But everyone looks out for themselves and their kids (tell me you wouldn't go to town on someone who threatened your children!). It's human nature - heck, it's animal nature.
Dick's choice of words is a bit harsh, but they are just words.
My only point was that people hate Dick for all the name calling of his fellow HGs. Ignore the vulgarity for a moment. That's just what people on this board do when they call Dick abusive, a bad parent, a bully, etc. Dani is "whiny", "poor sport", "unworthy", "evil like Dick" yada yada yada...
Change all those adjectives into 4 letter words and you've got a classic Dick Donato Rant! (IMVHO)
That's my only point (IMHO) - take it for what it's worth.
Anyone know if the show will be live tomorrow night? The President is suppose to speak.........grrrrrrr! He better come on AFTER THE SHOW!!
It wouldn't take much to be morally superior to Dick.
Everyone is free to feel whatever they want about Dick, and I know Joe likes to argue with people here, but I can swear to you, that I am nothing like him. Maybe men as a whole are a selfish-I-always-think-of-myself-first group of people, but most of the women I know are NOT (especially mothers--there is no way you can think of yourself first when you have children).
There are ways to win without offending most of humanity but Dick hasn't learned that lesson yet.
Britt
Sharon,
I am an idiot and I'm calling Zack an idiot. Therefore there is no moral superiority - I'm just calling Zack a Joe!!! :)
I'm not sure why you are all upset. I simply suggested that Zack supporters would be a wee bit more on point about Zack taking the high road relative to the Donatos if they didn't call the Donatos names at the same time.
Just MHO.
I never called you a name, I don't even know who you are. I simply suggested (and Freud would back me up) that there is a little Dick in all of us - even if we repress him most of the time.
See, the thing is, I don't like 90% of the things Dick does. (That alone proves how self-righteous I am - I won't mention anyone else). Danielle is probably the prettiest girl I've ever seen who I definitely wouldn't have sex with! (I'm not sure what that says about me!) But, I just get tired of hearing all the anti-Dick, anti-Dani comments. You can like and support Zack without needing to hate Dick - and vice versa. You can even hate Dick. But you can't rationally "hate" Dick, call Dick names, and then claim that you are not like Dick (who is almost a caricature of a hate-filled name-caller)!
But Britt, you kind of just proved my point.
You think it is easier to be morally superior to Dick - that immediately argues that your sense of the moral is superior. We are all self-righteous - why is that so awful to admit?
And, as I mentioned to you earlier, I expect you to be a tigress when defending your children. So's Dick. Remember, his WORST behavior was all in defense of Dani:
1) The tea on Jen's head was because Jen went after Dani in the kitchen about Dani's morality.
2) The worst tirades and language was tossed around when he and Dani were on the block and he wanted to make sure he got booted.
He actually has been pretty calm between then and the Final 4 when Zack went after him.
Again, I'm not condoning Dick's excesses. I'm just suggesting that we are all (including Dick) not that different in our cores.
Sorry Joe, but I can't agree with that. It's not just Dick's foul language but the fact that he knows what he's doing and does it intentionally. He so easily hurts people with his words and then has absolutely no remorse for his actions or regard for their feelings. I cannot believe that all or even most people could be that cruel, thoughtless and then actually feel good about it like Dick does. I have to believe that most people are better than that.
Anon 10:52 -- Right on.
I think they came up with the comp last night just to clear the backyard of three months of Dick's dna.
And Joe, we love ya here, but my eyes are killing me from your intesity. Not that you have to do anything for me, but if you can bring it down just a notch, I think it would be fabulous, and actually allow what you're trying to say to be heard better. Please don't jump all over me for mentioning it. :-P
I definitely don't believe everyone is Dick - I don't even think everyone has a little bit of Dick in them. I know people who couldn't act like him if their life depended on it.
As a mother I would be a tigress to defend my children from harm. I just don't believe that spewing profanity to intentionally hurt other people is is how I would go about it..... however to use the kind of abusive behavior Dick has exhibited in a game just for money would be unthinkable. There's a difference between protecting your child from harm and trying to help them win $500,000. Please don't compare a mothers' natural protectiveness of her children with Dick's sick relationship with Danielle or their desire for money - that is insulting to mothers everywhere!
After seven and a half hours of standing in pouring cold water before giving up, Dick tells Dani how much he loves her...having just demonstrated it for sure. He asks her to tell him she loves him...maybe, just maybe, for an instant she might appreciate what he tried to do. No, not narcissistic Dani. She won't say I love you to him. He asks for a kiss...again, "no." Can he not see that nothing will ever be enough for this woman? I dislike Dick a lot, but he did an admirable job of hanging in there last night and I think she could have been a little appreciative...no, she's still on her "this competition sucks" kick and complaining about the endurance comp. My guess is that Daddy will give in to Dani's request that he throw the second comp to her. Dani will will sound two and maybe she will smile again for another few seconds before that isn't good enough either. Dick might win BB...but he will never win with Dani. That ship has sailed.
joe in ny, you are absolutely right. I'm sick to death of the "good people" who rant and scream about how horrible the Donatos are. It's almost funny!
Kudos to both Dick and Zach for sticking out that comp. It can't have been easy for either one of them. Congrats to them both.
Still hoping for a Donatos win--guess I'm not one of the "good people"!
Joe in NY...Jackie has a rule that we can criticize the hampsters but not other bloggers...no matter their opinions. Please stick to the rules...you have a lot to say but say it within the context Jackie has set up or log your opinion on other boards. We all may disagree here but we are not disagreeable people in general. Most of us are not Dick...
Hate to say this, but I'd rather listen to a Dick rant than George Bush! Hope BB doesn't get preempted.
Dknync,
Well, again, the fact that you feel people are better than that...oh, I'm not going to even say it again.
If you read my previous post, I did refer to Dick's excesses. And everyone here is a bit of an extremist in that I'm not saying we are all IDENTICAL to Dick. I'm saying there is a bit of Dick in all of us, even if it is just that little piece of us that just MUST post to this board that Dick is *** (fill in ugly adjective) and so Zack deserves to win.
Don't you see, it should be enough to just say "I think Zack should win" but many of us end up saying "I think Zack should win because he is so incredibly superior to his evil housemates". The need to look down our respective noses at the competition is no different than Dick's childish bragging and insulting condescension. Dick is our uncensored Id!!!
As for hurting people and feeling good about it, I agree with you. Most of us, MOST of the time would feel bad if we even unintentionally hurt someone (and Dick might also, he has seemed apologetic on rare occasions). But, there are also times when we revel in the suffering of others.
If a child molester was hit by a truck, how many people would be happy that he "got what he deserved"?
How many people cheer in a movie when the bad guy finally "gets what he deserves"?
70% of Americans believe in capital punishment (I don't, by the way).
Under certain circumstances we all cheer the pain of others if we feel they "deserve it" - which means they have violated our personal sense of morality.
And, many of us, maybe not all, would go to great extremes to win a prize as big as BB. Maybe we would just tell lies (because it is ONLY a game), or backstab our allies (because it is ONLY a game). But, I'm sure if the prize was big enough, some of us would knock down our competitors when running the race and apologize AFTER the race was over for stepping on them on our way to the prize.
JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.
70% of Amer
Well said Anon 11:27 -- I read about that on Jokers too and felt just awful for Dick... and I'm not a ED fan. I think he will throw the second comp to her.
However, regarding the idea that they agreed to split it whichever won... this is more proof that I'm not so sure if Dani wins it all she'll split it with Dick. Dick may well hold true to her and would also probably want to give some to Vince...
Joe said: "...But, I just get tired of hearing all the anti-Dick, anti-Dani comments..."
Joe why aren't you just as tired of hearing all the anti-Zack comments.
You said earlier (my interpretation of your words) that we should all be able to have our opinions about any/all of the house guests. Then why are you so upset and "tired of" when we have an opinion.
Joe for the most part you're fun to "chat" with, but you can drive it into the ground too.
anon 11:26 said:
Please don't compare a mothers' natural protectiveness of her children with Dick's sick relationship with Danielle or their desire for money - that is insulting to mothers everywhere!
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I would just point out (again) that "Dick's sick relationship" is again a moral judgment.
Suppose (purely hypothetical IMHO):
1) Dani hates Dick for the childhood she had.
2) Dick feels that he couldn't provide Dani the things she wanted.
3) Dick believes that winning the money for Dani is the ONLY way to make up to Dani for the life he gave her, his last chance to save his relationship with his daughter.
Seems to me (IMHO) that it is now less a monster raping a reality TV house and more of a sad Greek tragedy. IMO
Sydney, I could never be mad at you - Orkmommy says you're hot!!! :)
I'm not sure how to dial back what I'm saying because it's not what I'm saying, it's what everyone's hearing!
All I said is we all have a nasty little Dick hiding in our brains (id) that we mostly repress.
Whether true or false (Freud, help me out), it shouldn't be that offensive.
Would you rather be the person who has no anger in them, or the person who controls that anger? Mark Twain once said that he was better than George Washington because Washington could tell no lies, but Twain could but chose not to.
I don't see why anyone is taking anything I said that personally. I've admitted to all the supposed faults I've mentioned in everyone. Why is it so offensive to belong to a club that includes me and Dick and (IMHO) most of the human race?
Answer:Because we all want to believe that we are morally superior! (IMHO)
I completely agree with DKNYNC, and unlike Joe's very well thoughtout comments, Im not snickering at that as I read it!
I dont't respect Donato's way of playing the game. Someone compared him to Will who did the same type of game without the cruelty. Will beat the other players in the game, but didn't hurl insults and vulgarity to get ahead.
To those who said Zack didn't play the game, I believe that Zack played a very smart game this season. He had no one who befriended him, let alone liked him. Some how he ended up in the final 3 by flying under the radar of all the HGs who wanted him out so much earlier. Life lesson here, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and don't feed the monkeys!
Snickers
Taylor in Boston said:
Joe in NY...Jackie has a rule that we can criticize the hampsters but not other bloggers...no matter their opinions. Please stick to the rules...you have a lot to say but say it within the context Jackie has set up or log your opinion on other boards. We all may disagree here but we are not disagreeable people in general. Most of us are not Dick...
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I must humbly disagree with your assessment. I haven't criticized anyone (except HGs). I just suggested (offensive as it apparently is) that we are all human beings with the same nasty little id (which I have nicknamed).
That would not seem to me to be a criticism levelled at anyone.
I will agree that "sick" may be a judgement of their relationship but weren't they put in the house because their relationship was troubled. Given your example - "winning the money is the only to make up for giving her a lousy childhood" I can only hope that that is not what defines a healthy parent child relationship and I'm sure that most definitely will not be the answer to their troubles.
Sorry Meb, you're right. I should have said Dick/Dani/and Zack comments (which I did in one post). I'm sorry to wear you out.
I'm going to go silent.
But, could someone please tell me why suggesting that Dick is just an open, extreme version of the nasty part of all of us is SOO offensive? I never said it was the biggest or best part of any of us!
Dick has played a top notch game, you may not like his strategy, but it works. I really haven't cared for anyones methods used to win this game as you always end up lying. Nothing worse than a damn lier. But then you say it's only a game. Well Dick is playing the game so lying or being a jerk- it's all fair. Now CBS loves Dick, unlike some of the other guests this season- he knows the rules and follows them right up to the line.
I hope Dick or Dani wins! There are no saints that do good in this show.
Okay Joe, maybe you just shouldn't have said "everyone is Dick" if you meant that you think we all have a little part of us that could have the potential to be like Dick. Again, I'm not taking the moral high ground here for myself but I don't think there are many comments that can be true if they use words like everyone or always. There are usually exceptions.
Joe, speak for yourself, i am no DICK. I can control what i say to people and even when i am pissed i watch what i say. And there are plenty of people in this country that put other people needs ahead of their own. All the volunteers at the many catastrophes we have had in past years is proof of that.
Joe: I could never say that "Dick is just an open, extreme version of the nasty part of" me .. because what you said... it is SOO offensive? I could never say some of the things that Dick spews out of his mouth so easily. Even some of the milder expletives are foreign to my ear (as I mentioned before). Have I ever said one (or two). Wash my mouth out with soap.
Oh my Joe, I log on and here you are knee deep in trouble again, LOL.
Rbennie
Way to go Zach...Kudos to the old man with bad lungs..He did better than I thought..Dani should be ashamed of herself for making him endure all that torture...I agree with Barbwire..I like them until they became so smug..and to Deanna - (to each their own) - Remember we all have our own opinion...Thanks, sweetie...
Back later guys... lunch, hospital visit and then home. Joe, you can come back, you don't have to be silent.
Ok i can't bring myself to even get involved in the debate thats going on here!
Very sad this morning (ok , this afternoon... called in sick to work) to see a Zach win... but i am confident that Dani can pull it off!
Hmm, Bush or ED... could be a tough call for some people! lol
-Holly
Hey fellow bloggers:
Now I haven't done the research, as this just came to mind.....but the weeks that Zach was on the block but didn't go home - was that a result of America's vote thru Eric? Are we the ones responsible for him still being there?
I personally hope Zach wins. If for no other reason than the way the D's have been so badly underestimating him. The D's have every right to be proud of themselves for getting as far as they have, but there is absolutely no reason to rub it in Z's face like they do (mostly Dick). At least Zach can act civilized and congratulate his opponent when they win.
Katie in CHI
It really is to see a NICE guy doing something good on BB ... no shomance no back stabbing, when Zack gave Jamika a fighting chance it had to make her feel good! And if this is his "game" then RIGHT ON!! Let's here it for the good guy. I'm so sick and tired of the back stabbing weasels in this world ALWAYS coming out on top -- ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK! ZACK!
Ever notice that when Dani wins a competition it's because she's smart and prepared and has the determination to win, but when she loses, it's because THE COMPETITION WASN'T FAIR.
Somebody call the whaaaaambulance!
Kim
I may be shot for my view but I believe Dani is no closer to her dad than she was at the beginning. She is using him to win herself the money. She knows he would do anything for her and has proven that. IF they end up the final two I will hope for ED to win just for that.
I think it is funny how many people made fun of Zach for being an ogre/oaf all through the game and how creepy he is when he was just playing a quiet, let them fry bigger fish game, he is showing that he was capable of winning competitions all along or he wouldn't be winning them now. I hope that Zach is final two and I think he could win against either of them.
I read some posts about not hating the hgs...just hate the haters...(or something like that) and agree with the sentiment to a degree. I do think, though, that many of the criticisms of hgs are based on likes and dislikes of personality traits rather than how the game is/was played. That doesn't excuse any of us from being rude (and I have thrown enough zingers to qualify for that), but you have to dissect the post to find out where the insult lies. With game play or with clashing personalities. And does it make a differece to you? Can we insult the people and appreciate their game? 'cause if I can't insult one of them, I'm not sure why I am here or watching the game. (can you read the smile in my words?) I have had a hard enough time finding a Protagonist in the BB house of Antagonists. Right now, Zach gets to be the hero just because he isn't D or D. That can change. Just saying.
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One season all the hgs tried to throw all the comps. I guess it was the under the radar year. One of the comps was one where no one could know the answers...something like what color am I thinking at this moment. That was a real curve to toss the hgs because the winner of that comp didnt want to win.
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Always, the endurance (Survivor, too) has the last two or more contestants making deals. With Dani as the only remainding hg not in the HOH comp late last night, Dick was completely excluded from making a deal to end early. That is one of the disadvantages of team play. In that particular case the Ds have played themselves into a corner. I am sure Daniele will take the second part and Dick will go all out to find Zach Achille's Heel and torture it in the hours before Part Two. To be fair, Zach is free to do the same with Daniele to put off her game.
In fact, if he (Zach) suddenly started coming on to her in a romantic way. Trying to snuggle up to her, maybe ask for a good luck kiss, I think it would throw her into such a state, she wouldn't be able to play Part Two. Find the weakness and exploit it. Her weakness is being near Zach. Ironic when her words might echo what Jen said to Dick the first comp. (don't let the old guy touch me)
If Dick had studied Zach and knew his weakness, then Dick would continue to harp on that one thing. That is why I don't see Dick as the best player ever. He is a one trick pony and his one trick is working in the house of....well in the house where not much depth has been observed.
And that is why I see D & D mowing down all competitors and can appreciate their knowledge of the game and that they have a plan and are following it to the win. But, I don't see them as extraordinary players.
Sue
Sue
go Zach!
OH Ya and I totally agree with the assessment that... "it is just a game" IF THEY ARE IN CONTROL but if you do what they would have (and have) done then you are $#!T for not following your word.
IT is ALL a game they should take the bad against them as they expect people to take what they dish out.
Just a reminder for those who think that Zach has been there "just to play the game" -- Zach said many times that he hopes to end up with at least one of the girls' phone numbers and that they could strike up a relationship., i.e. he told Jessica that he would like to see her again after the competition and that was after she had already had her shomance with Eric. He also tried to pick up on Danielle after Nick left. He was making eyes with Jen in the beginning too. He came right out and said that was his goal - to meet someone (long term). I don't remember him trying to pick up on Amber, but then she was too busy with Dustin or crying (annoying).
BTW -- is Dustin gay? It's probably not politically correct but I was just curious. Not that I care, but since he had a past relationship with Joe I assumed he was, but then he kept talking about a girlfriend back home. (just curious)
Lets not make Zach out to be too innocent and Mr. Goodie 2 Shoes. That was his trick to look good for the ladies, probably even ones at home too for that matter. Based on the sympathy from some of the comments, it may have worked some. JMHO.
MaggieMay0425
I spent 34 years as a flight attendant, and some of the things that were said to me would put Dick's rants in the minor league. When Joe in NY says that there's a little of Dick in all of us, my long experience working with people certainly bears that out.
Sky
Katie in Chi,
Zack was only on the block once and D/D saved him with help from E/J. To the extent that AP vote dictated what E did, maybe AP vote did help, but D/D were adamant about keeping Zack because they were an alliance of 3.
And, changing topics from earlier when everyone got mad, can Zack fans at least acknowledge that Zack was in an alliance (a very successful one) with D/D?
IMHO IMHO IMHO
If you are part of the team, you can't pick and choose what responsibility you have for the team effort. Zack benefits from Dick's bullying, so Zack is responsible for it as well. The 3 of them should have just congratulated each other on a job well done rather than telling each other that the other one was wrong.
Teller gets killed by 1 member of a 3 member gang during a robbery. Who goes to jail for the murder? All 3 of them, equally.
IMHO IMHO IMHO
Marge,
Dustin is gay. His "girlfriend" back home is just an old, platonic friend from high school.
I find many of these comments interesting, it seems almost all of you think lying is okay, but being rude is bad? Frankly I don't see one any better than the other. You are not going to win this game unless you sink to these low depth.
Okay just ignore that long winded post of mine just a few minutes ago. I posted without reading the latest comments and didn't realize an all out war of words and idealogies was going on. Interesting debate however.
Joe, you are the man of the hour, aren't you. You stir us up and make us examine our true thoughts instead of just posting the first thing off our heads. I don't think you actually are saying that because we live in a Democracy that self is paramount to society. I think it might be to many in the Society, but absolutes bother me and I don't think everyone puts self first. (and didn't Dick have this convo with Amber and her dog already?) I read that you see the world that way and that you state it is your opinion. I see that many in the world are as you say, but I live with hope that not all are. That is my opinion on it.
I also like (love seems a little too familiar, for two posters who just past in the night) your posts and observations. And the mental exercise they produce.
Sue
I say...
all is fair in love, war, and big brother.
-Holly
ohh i am so sad that dick lost to zach. that guy is a total weirdo. i agree w/ all the other comments, danielle will kill zach if it is a mental type competition. hes gotta be sooooo tired after that! hopefully they will move right along so he doesnt get anytime to recover!! go ed, go danielle!!
joe--I read your words everyday and I know you probably didn't mean to offend anyone, however....
As I have listened to the horrific way D has spoke to people and the demeaning way he has treated people the thought that someone could think there is a part of that in me is offensive. Some things Dick has said have hurt those people to the core(Zach even commented about that this morning to Dani who responded with
mmmmm). I could not imagine ever talking to ANYONE LIKE THAT!! I have said Dick is vile, disrespectful and needs some parenting classes---does that make me a "dick"---in YOUR opinion-- but not mine.
I believe early in the game BB should have put a stop to Dick's behavior to the other HG but they didn't and that gave Dick
"open range". Did other HG say awful things? Yes, but not to their face so they weren't hurt by it.
This type of behavior comes too easily to Dick to not be a part of his everyday life outside the house--maybe not to this degree--but still.....
AND DANI.....how could you be soooo cold as to not give your dad a kiss and say "I love you" after you watched him endure that for 7 hours to prove to himself and you that he would do anything for your acceptance!?!
Thanks so much Jackie-- I tried to stay with you but by 2a.m. I was done!!!
I'm still hoping Dick and Danielle win it all with Danielle winning first place and her Dad second. I do think they're closer and she helped her Dad by winning competitions and POV's etc as much as he helped her and while he thinks his mouthing off was an advantage and who knows, i'm sure it didnt make things much easier for her. Ppl kept Dick around assuring themselves that he would be easy to beat come jury time and so if one of the D's had to go it would be Danielle. That had to be hard. I hear alot of Danielle is whiney and manipulative talk but I've seen every house guest behave badly (jameeka calling Dicks Mom a bitch..don't believe Dicks Mom was bad mouthing her....Zack now says he lost all the competitions on purpose and has a whole I'm number 2..under the radar mentallity and while he'll say what an awful person Dick is..he didn't feel morally upset about it enough to vote him off...just kept flying under the guns while Dick and Danielle took the hits..and now he says he'd bring Jameeka with him to final 3 cause he wants her to have a chance..no its cause its your only hope to be #2. It was a tough competition last night..congrates to Dick for hanging in there so long..if Danielle was up there that late do you think her Dad would have told her to give up?? i dont think so so why blame her for that too? really ppl..be a little fair and i'd challenge any of us to be under that stressful a competition with camera's on us 24/7 and we'll see how whiney we all are and we wont be a young..Danielle never personally attacked anyone..competed to the best of her ability in competitions, not hid from them..she deserves to win and i wish her good luck in part two. Dick and Danielle final two :p i hope.
My major problem with the Donatos being final 2 is that they will take the 500k and 50k, and split 275k to each of them. Also it's a lock and does not matter at all who the jury picks as the winner. This is completely unfair to the game and would never happen unless it was a parent/child team, which is why I hope they never do such a team in the future. I prefer either of the Donatos with Zach because at least the Jury's vote will matter and one person will get 50k, and the other 500k. Then there is a true winner, whether it be a donato or Zach, I just don't want 2 first place winners who can say/do whatever they want because nobody has power over them and there can be no retribution for past ills because once again, it doesn't matter! I prefer that the jury be used because if it's the donatos in the final 2, the jury can go ahead and go home and CBS can skip the final episode, just like they could have skipped the PoV last night.
Nana in the nw... the one thing i feel i need to address in you comment is, how is it any better for the hgs to bash each other behind their backs? Do you think that they'll be any less hurt by seeing it weeks later on tv? at least if its in person they get a chance to defend themselves.
-Holly
philip, i completely disagree. there is no way that dani is splitting that money 50/50 if she wins. i think that if dick wins, he'll give more to dani than she would give him, but even then it wouldnt be 50/50.
-Holly
I, for one, am starting to believe all the rumors that the D&D team has been planned all along. Dick said it took him "three years" to get to this point. Their supposed feud has been going on for "two years." And now they're thrown in the house together supposedly "enemies" yet they starting scheming together in, what, two days? Give me a break. The other houseguests were just too stupid to realize they were being played. CBS may have thought the fix in the game was America's Player - but it was these two all along.
By the way, Dick's childish ranting last night was ridiculous. He only had about three points to make - and he made them over and over and over and... Ugh. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but who is "Sweets"?
How does anyone KNOW what any of the 3 would do with the money? Did they tell you personally from the BB house? Everyone can speculate all they want but no one knows what they would do and how can anyone post what dani feels or doesn't feelfor her father. UGH!
Donna in Florida (another Donna posting so had to add the Florida)
Katie in CHI ~
I agree. I also hopes Zach wins. I do not like ED's constant verbal abuse or intimidation tactics. Words hurt more than physical abuse and the pain last longer.
Another comment that I don't see anyone has made (sorry if I missed it) -- You'll never convince me that Dick is a horrible man. Yes he has a fowl mouth, BUT........ I think he showed a lot of love and respect for his daughter. He threw himself under the bus in order to have people vote him off instead of Danielle. Afterwards he apologized, and he never spoke so badly to Jamicka after that and never went that far. I have seen his worst tirades (?sp) only at the time where he is despirate to protect his daughter and to keep her in the game. Can someone who has been there for her all along be absolutely horrible? No -- In my opinion. A man without a heart would have just cared about himself.
MaggieMay
sherry said...
Danielle never personally attacked anyone..
are you watching the same show I am???
Ok, Joe, you've ruined this blog for me. I really dont think Jackie would approve of your constant digging at people and telling them what they are. We are what we are, not what you say we are. I have stopped reading your posts. You are ignored. Sorry, you went too far. You are not always right.
cArol
MaggieMay,
Just because Dick was willing to "throw himself under the bus" in this game to further Danielle does not make him a good father or a good person. Anyone who could abuse people so easily the way he has in the house has got to be like that in real life. It comes too easily to him. What makes you think he's always been there for her? Danielle herself said he hasn't been and she lived with his mom not him. Even if he had always been around - subjecting a child to the kind of behavior he has shown in the house (even if it was only a very mild version) is ABUSE and certainly does not make him a good parent.
I, for one, have never commented on Dick's life or behavior outside of the house. I can't comment on those things because I don't know anything about them, and I'm not really interested enough to do any extensive research on the subject. My comments and opinions of Dick have all been related to what I have seen of his behavior inside the house. For all I know, I could absolutely love the guy if I met him here in the real world. What I do know for sure is that I abhor what I see of him in that house. I'm sure I've said this previously, but it's not even the things he's done for strategy purposes, it's his behavior where there is no real game purpose at all. Pouring tea on Jen, constantly calling women in the house bitches and c**ts, extremely poor sportsmanship, not only does he lose badly, he wins badly also.
Rbennie
yea I do believe Daniele attacked individuals/groups in the game too.
Does an apology make everything right for hurtful things said?
I have not read through every post so forgive me if I repeat... I was just thinking how self-absorbed is Daniele that she couldn't even congratulate her father or thank him. He spent 8 hours standing on a carrot in a torrential downpour pretty much all for her. Iyiyi...
If they make it to the final two, I'm not even watching the finale. What's the point? It Dick wins, he's giving Daniele a wad of cash. If Daniele wins, she's giving Dick some of the money (I say some because we all know a selfish child like her is SO not going to give up a big chunk).
I'm hoping it's going to be Zach & Dick in the end... I'd hate to see a floater win, but I'd hate to see D&D go home with EVERYTHING.
Good morning Holly--or afternoon your time. Called in sick?? Good for you enjoy your day and your baby. They grow up so quickly.....
You are probably right. I would hope though when they see them on TV it will be in the context of the game and be viewed more objectively than comments made in the heat of anger.
Sorry Phillip I have to disagree. I DO NOT believe Dani will share her money equally. Comments she has made throughout the show lead me to believe that she thinks much is owed to her because of her disfunctional family. She has talked about going to Europe for a month, buying a car, finding somewhere to live, getting a season pass to Disneyland,and going shopping.
Now Dick will be more generous. I think he will spend some on "things" in an effort to regain his youth(he wants a red sports car and would like to go to Europe with Dani but she told him no), but he will also share with his Mom and children.
Zach has talked several times about using the money to repay student loans and start a business
(which I believe has to do with the preservation of dolphins).
Donna you asked how can we know what Dani feels toward her dad?? She has told us numerous times on the feeds. Sometimes body language speaks louder than words, also. He has asked her several times to go to counseling and she tells him to go by himself.
Anon 1:44--sweets is Zach's ex-gf. She broke up with him right before the show and he is hoping she will be waiting for him when the show is over.
I'm not the biggest fan of Jen, but how do you all think Dick would've reacted if there were another person in the house abusing Daniele like he was abusing Jen (or the other HG's, for that matter)? Would he have treated Jen like that if HER father were around?
Katie in CHI
I don't know about the rest of you but I was up till 5:30 in the morning watching the comp. It was exhausting for me just sitting here. It must have been Hell for the HG's being up there for 7 hours. After that both of them deserve to go to the finals.
And as for us all having a little Dick in us, I don't think so buddy. We have all argued over the past couple of months mostly about Dick but none of us have sunk to his level of vulgarity and believe me we could have. No, were not playing for money and therefore don't really have as big a interest in winning as the HG's do but still, we could have. I've visited other sites and the degree that those people degrade anyone who disagrees with them would amaze you. It's easier to say mean things to people when you're not looking them in the eye and hiding behind a computer monitor. All most of us are saying is that Dick didn't have to go to such extremes. And yes, Z did get in Dick's face last night, mocking him and laughing at him, but to his credit, all he would have had to do was bring up the incest comments made by some of the other HG's and Dick would have been so mad he would have falled off the carrot.
Kay
dear anonymous..yes i believe we are watching the same show..they've ALL said some mean stuff and i cant think of when shes fought with anyone other than her dad..and everyone is willing to point out how awful Dick behaves and then turns around and acts like she's worse. We dont know their history. I'm still just going to keep on routing for them and hope they both walk away richer and after reading all the horrid posts about themselves hopefully wiser too..all that said tho..they worked for this win ..in my opinion and i wish them luck.
Carol, dear, I LOVE YOU!
I have never said I am always right. I have never said I am more right than anyone. I didn't even (contrary to rumor) tell anyone in particular that they are anything in particular.
I did make a comment about the basic human condition. I backed it up with as many examples and as careful an analysis as I could. You are free to agree, disagree, or simply ignore.
But, again, I've taken more personal hits in this exchange than anyone and I'm not upset.
Will someone please explain why my opinion about the natural selfishness of human beings (of which I am one!) should be construed as such a personal attack by so many people? What I have suggested about people being self-centered isn't even necessarily negative - unless you interpret it as such - and has been observed and discussed by dozens of philosophers and psychologists for centuries.
I am self-centered, so are all of you, there is nothing wrong with that. We protect self & family, followed by Community - BUT IN THAT ORDER! Personally, I don't want to associate with anyone who would put the interests of their community above their child.
You might hate Dick's vulgarity but, aside from that, isn't he just like your parents: he would sacrifice everything for the love of his daughter! He doesn't care if the other HGs hate him, if America hates him, he just wants to protect Danielle. He's not clever enough to do it with sweet lies like Will, so he does it with crude vulgarities. But his motivation is just the same self-centered impulse that we all possess.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING SELF-CENTERED, so how can that be an insult?
To Nana in the NW:
Dolphincrash is a sports clothing business, not a dolphin preservation business.
can i make a suggestion here? the best way to deal with people who annoy you is to ignore them. just don't reply to the posts that bother you. the double d fans are going to see things one way and the zach fans another. nothing any of us posts is going to change the is are going to change the others opinion. -jeannemarie
thanks joe I knew someone would correct me if I was wrong.
Found this on the internet:
"According to Freud, we are born with our Id. The id is an important part of our personality because as newborns, it allows us to get our basic needs met. Freud believed that the id is based on our pleasure principle. In other words, the id wants whatever feels good at the time, with no consideration for the reality of the situation. When a child is hungry, the id wants food, and therefore the child cries. When the child needs to be changed, the id cries. When the child is uncomfortable, in pain, too hot, too cold, or just wants attention, the id speaks up until his or her needs are met.
The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction. If you think about it, babies are not real considerate of their parents' wishes. They have no care for time, whether their parents are sleeping, relaxing, eating dinner, or bathing. When the id wants something, nothing else is important."
This is Dick - the uncensored, undeveloped id (which Freud believes is part of all of us)
QED
Much love
joe I don't think anybody is upset about Dick's need to protect his daughter and some of the lengths he goes to do that. It's all the rest....
calling Jam a stupid b*tch for no reason
saying things about Zach to insure his gf will not be around when this is over
his total disrespect for other HG--spitting everywhere,farting, burping,blowing smoke around them
Those behaviors were not done to protect Dani.
Sherry--Dani doesn't have to be mean...she runs and tells her dad and lets him to it...all the while she is in the background smiling or laughing. It has happened several times in the house.
Well I'll say this for Dick he certainly illicits a strong reaction from people! It appears people either love him or hate him intensly!
Joe, I've tried to refrain from responding to your comments but are you really surprised with the reactions? You told people on this blog that you think they are like a person they despise and you don't understand why they are upset with you? Are you doing this on purpose just to pick a fight? You said: "Isn't he just like your parents?" Holy crap are you kidding!
To Nana in NW,
I never said I approved of Dick at all. I never defended Dick. I don't think he needs my defense.
All I said is that a lot of people were taking pleasure in Dick's pain and taking shots at Dani. (and, to be fair, taking shots at Zack yesterday). I only said that the desire to take pleasure in Dick's demise stems from the same id impulse that causes Dick's rants (unless he is faking them).
Apparently, hatred of Dick is so deep that suggesting that we are all (including Dick) part of the same human species was somehow construed as an insult!
Joe, you wrote that you are giving your opinion, but your voice comes through as a statement. Not a harsh thing for me to say. Just an observation. I also often lecture and get the same reaction. Within myself,though, I am just expressing my thoughts and I realize they are usually in the minority of any conversational group.
That sweetness out of the way. Here is my issue with Dick's gameplay, using last night's comp as an example to back up my theory.
His object was, I assume, to distract Zach into losing concentration and with it the comp. If Zach fell off, Dick would tell Dani to jump off and get warm and he would win the first part of comp with Dani and Zach competing in Part 2, of which Dani is an expert. If he had just been working for himself, he would have done what endurance comps require. A person has to 'go within themselves', ignore everything, do multiplication tables silently, anything that blocks out the misery. Dick might have done that if he hadn't had to watch Dani's back. He knew because of her that he needed to get Zach out quickly. All good playing tactics. But, he misjudged his target (Zach) and that is why I don't think Dick is that great of a player. He could be, he has many of the talents, but he missed a crucial one. He didn't consider it was Zach. Zach, who has told them he feels alone. (D & D took that as humor and made fun of it instead of using it to bash him...again, not smart of them) If Dick has used kindness last night, if Dick had been friendly and asked Zach to tell him about his project, done anything to open Zach up, Z may have become so involved in a conversation that he would have missed a step. He almost certainly would have been talking and that was Dick's goal..to get Zach to respond to something D was saying. Joe, you say we are all Dick's in our own way, and I understand what you mean when you say that. But, don't confuse how society in general behaves with the role a wayward father is playing on TV. He made the appearance of helping his daughter, but all he did was hurt himself. Daniele must have known he would do that, and as good a player as she is, she too missed that it wasn't the way to help Zach. As soon as the whole thing was over, and she realized there is a good chance she will be at the end with Zach, she cooked for him and was the sweet Daniele. That is good play, too.
And yes, many people use the same manipulation in real life. But, what if everyone doesn't? What if there are some people in the world who sincerely want to offer someone a cup of coffee? I don't think we'll find them on a reality TV show, but searching for them can make life worthwhile.
Too long and no time to edit, sorry, Sue
joe in ny,
Thankfully most of us mature and learn that we can't live our lives like infants concerned only with satisfying our most basic needs and primal urges. Sadly Dick may not have progressed that much but even infants don't intentionally hurt others like Dick does.
to anon 3:40
No, I'm not kidding. In that context (as parent) Dick is like every GOOD parent I know - uncompromising and unrelenting in defense of their child.
I never said (and never meant to imply) that we are all IDENTICAL to Dick. And I never included language choice in the discussion.
All I said is that Dick is our uncontrolled, uncensored id and we all have one.
It just seemed ironic that people this morning were saying "good that mean, nasty Dick with all his pompous poor sportsmanship lost". Such gloating by people over supposedly inferior Dick's demise seemed just the same kind of boasting and meanness that they claim to see in Dick!
Now, personally, I wouldn't try to stop it, but I just wanted to point out to people that they were expressing the same part of their psyche that Dick needs to learn to control. That got a little exaggerated as the day wore on, but I still don't think there's anything wrong with my original premise or with people being selfish.
I understand that people hate Dick, but can anyone really say they have no little self-centered, self-indulgent spot inside themselves that we all try to supress so we seem like a team player. Heck, people were complaining on the board that Bush might interfere with BB - that's a perfect illustration of the (self-centered) pleasure principle at work: the direction of national politics is less important than my personal love of BB!
I admit to the flaw in myself. Apparently the suggestion that we are all flawed strikes a nerve with people, but I think that proves my point. We all want to believe that are morality is unquestionable.
sorry joe ......I just come here to comment about my feelings towards BB and the HG and read how other people feel.
This psychology lesson is too deep for me but I'm sure some commenters are enjoying it and relating to what your saying.
dknync,
I agree with you 100%.
I've never defended Dick as the ideal. And I've never said that we are just like Dick. I just said we have that little Dick part of us that we repress until it leaks out on boards.
Freud agrees with me (as do other philosophers), so I guess I'll just hide behind their credibility for now.
Sydney, I can see where Joe is coming from. Some commenters, mostly anons, are so intense in their hatred for D&D, in particular, that it's a little frightening. What Joe has said is mild compared to them. I wouldn't want to know them in real life because they're NOT playing a game.
They usually end their vicious remarks with "It's only a game" or "Jackie, thank you for the great blog", like that's supposed to excuse all the hatred they just spewed.
I've been a part of this blog for almost two years, and maybe I'm wrong but this season it seemed to be more of these "haters" than last year. It gets a little uncomfortable at times when you get personally attacked. I know Jackie gets on their case very quickly and that stops it for awhile, but pretty soon their back with each comment getting worse.
I know I've "lost it" myself a couple of times, but then I try to keep it civil. Several posters don't. It just didn't seem to be as enjoyable this season because of them.
Maybe Joe saying "all" are a Dick is a bit harsh, but he's not so far off about some. Just my opinion!
Nana in NW,
I never meant it to end up as a psych lesson. I just tried to make the analogy between Dick's uncontrolled impulses and some of the more negative posts on here. Somehow it all exploded when people thought I was calling them Dicks - which I really wasn't. (I just called part of them Dicks, which is a subtle but important distinction!)
I give up. Everyone argue with Freud.
Yall need to make up your damn minds, you don't like what Joe has to say about the HG's, then tell him to hush it up, then tell him to come back.
Agree to disagree. Agree a line has been drawn in the sand.
Dick is intense and controversial, that is what makes him interesting. Because I have a psychology background, I have found his tactics very interesting. And I do believe each and every one of us would do anything for our children. I would. I have seen my parents rip people to pieces in defense of me and my sisters. They may have not used every other bad word out there, but it happened. That's all Joe is trying to make people see. It's an instinct we all have.
Open your minds and respect other people's opinions.
Someone up above said how bad Dick talked to and about people and then in the same breath said, sure others talked bad but not in front of the person. Wow! So it is okay to talk bad about someone if it's behind their back? I would rather someone say it to my face and then we can settle the score right there.
Joe in NY,
Freud also believed that all little boys secretly wanted to have sex with their mommies. Is there something you's like to share ;-)
SSW
SSW: you just proved Joe's point!
Joe,
I respect your opinion, and even agree with it to some point. I know that either of my parents would lay down their lives for me, but they would never treat another human being as cruelly as Dick has treated some of his house mates. Now, if someone physically assulted me, I'm sure my father would lose his mind, but Dick took it to that level unwarrented (IMO).
There are other ways he could have provoked the other HG's without attacking so personally. I would love to see what his game play would have been if he wasn't 'protecting' his daughter. Same goes for her game play if she didn't have someone to run and hide behind.
Keep on voicing your opinions....that is what we're here for!
Katie in CHI
I can't figure some of you people, it's okay to lie but don't call someone names to shake them up and get them mad. Well it is okay to call them names as long as you do it behind their back and not face to face. I think many of you just don't like Dick because of his hair, nails, tattoos and other assorted mannerisms. You would rather have a more wholesome winner like Z.
Joe said: "It just seemed ironic that people this morning were saying "good that mean, nasty Dick with all his pompous poor sportsmanship lost". Such gloating by people over supposedly inferior Dick's demise seemed just the same kind of boasting and meanness that they claim to see in Dick!"
Oh Okay, I agree. Sue
Wow that is too bad, I was really pulling for ED! Thanks for the update!
to nana nw
almost everyone in the house has taken advatage of dicks bad behaviour..either to keep him around for an easy jury win or to get rid of someone else first..after all he's so mean why not give him an easy $50000 if it means you'll get more. ..why is danielle his 20 yr old child supposed to parent him to better ethics or be any more responsible for him being there than anyone else.
Jer from Kansas said...
I think many of you just don't like Dick because of his hair, nails, tattoos and other assorted mannerisms.
Yeah, that's it. His continual streams of profanity and verbal abuse of other people have nothing to do with it.
I was a fan of Dick in the beginning. I felt sorry for him being estranged from Danielle and hoped they could work things out. Unfortunately his unbelievably offensive behavior in the house has totally changed my opinion of him. I still hope he and Danielle patch up their relationship but I don't have any respect for him anymore. Game or not he is disgusting.
There you go again another person likes lying better than some verbal abuse. Now since I think about it a little more, lying can get be more detrimental than verbal abuse. Well that is unless a person is too delicate for a little verbal abuse or unless the verbal abuse hits home.
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