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Sunday, September 15, 2019
BB21: HoH, Brouhaha,Noms Show Blog Party - Sept. 15
I'm still having problems, so the floor is yours! Carry on but leave brouhahas to the hansters!
Hi Jackie, Monty and all who follow!! I am so looking forward to the loud conversations, BUT I’m delayed due to sports, currently 60 minutes is on.... boo!
Cliff is an idiot. You've just finished breaking your word to both Holly and Michie and you turn around and ask them to make you a promise? Why would you think their promise means anything when yours didn't?
Agree tbc. What's the point in dropping in the Final 4? The HOH is worth more than the word of the 2 people who just broke their word to you. Not to mention, Nicole & Cliff are going to evict either you or Michie anyway. So what is the point in giving them the chance?
I didn't like Michie at the beginning. I'm not sure I like him now. But when you line him up against the other 3, who has a better case to win? Nicole may be a sentimental choice, but she has not played anywhere near as good a game as Michie. Holly & Cliff both played well, but (wrong game) Michie Outplayed and Outwitted and should Outlast the other 3.
Hi everyone! I'm way late but read all your comments above and pretty much agree with the general consensus that Cliff is playing very poorly and that Michiee deserves to win based on gameplay. He did Tommy dirty, I don't think I could have done that, but I guess that's BB. If I were Holly I would not have dropped but it may work out for her anyway.
the things people do for money I obviously would be a bad player I cant do what they are doing just to win I would feel guilty and would not be able to enjoy the money
I agree Ed. I"m not sure whether that was supposed to be jury management or what. With Michie not in the HOH, seems like Holly could have taken the hit with the jury to improve the odds of she and Michie making Final 3.
Nicole laying it on pretty thick trying to win americas vote well she dosen't have mine anymore nick was right to put her on the block week 3 she has an extremely cold heart and she has some growing up to do saying if she could switch places with cliff she would well theres the dr go self evict
Not sure where you get cold heart from. From what I have seen,she has been the only decent person in there for quite awhile. She will get my votes for afp
Agree Cheryl. If anyone has a cold heart, it's Jackson, and tops it all off with his incredible self-righteousness. He's managed to take any of the good will he started to build and make it go poof.
IF he loses to either Nicole or Holly, I doubt he will be anything but the ultimate bitter and sulking jury member. But he can always go home and have his mommy slice him some watermelon and wipe his tears
I never comment but I have to say something. First of all, Jackie, you rock. Sending you good juju's. I'm Monnica and here's what I want to add. BB was a waste of my summer. These people are horrible players. Jackson only looks good because the rest are so bad. Lets see what the jury does. I would for Nicole for AFP. she's the ONLY one that started to put things together. She's very intuitive unlike Christy. Nicole also said that she has a dark side. Jackson IS dark and all of his crying is all for show. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He's fake and shouldn't win. None of them should really. Nicole's mistake is going against her gut and listening to Cliff who has played a terrible game. He floated his way to this point and trusted the liar couple. Holly is as selfish as Jackson. He will dump her in a few months. So good bye to Cliff who wanted this money so bad? Nope. He thinks shaking a person's hand is loyalty which does not exist in a game. Geez, for being a huge fan, he's learned nothing. I can't wait for Survivor.
Yes i agree with you that cliff is a bad player but out of the people left jackson is playing the best game which isn't really saying much but Nicole admitted that she is evil i mean i could tell anyways she is always working some angle and now she knows if cliff leaves she probably cant beat anybody else in f2 and she really wants afp and i don't like the way she is. Tugging on heartstrings and preaching loyalty to cliff when she knows that she is evil she admitted it to us and that raises up a red flag with me and i just don't know if i can give her my vote especially when she didn't even start playing till September and she has a black heart she may be an average player but i don't respect how she plays the game kemi for afp!
I still say we should all vote for David for AFP to show the producers that the fans do NOT appreciate the eviction of players before they have the chance to play AND that we are acutely aware of the racism that plagued this season (despite CBS' best efforts to cover it up).
I have watched BB from Season One... I have NEVER seen a BB WINNER who didn’t lie or use emotions OR didn’t PRETEND to be a caring/sympathetic friend in order to PLAY the BB GAME and WIN! Lying has always been part of the game! Everyone in this BB season has lied/mislead or omitted the truth (which is a form of lying). So, someone lying isn’t a BB winning or losing factor for me.
I disliked Paul when he played because he used others (encouraged) to be bullies and down right In your face MEAN to others (pots and pan banging too). That’s where he lost me in BB. As far as game playing and strategizing, Paul was great!
I’m not letting (judging) what people did in bed (or with who or with how many) guide my opinions... their going to have to answer to their family/friends & search within when they get back to the real world... who am I to judge and cast that stone!?!
I love Nicole and she’s very intuitive but she actually started playing the game late. A couple of the competitions she ONLY won, because OTHERS threw them to her (Cliff and Holly, etc.). So, how many DID she actually win on her own?! I like Cliff but he really didn’t play a good BB game as far as I’m concerned. But it’s good to see an older gentleman get this far!
I’ve never been a big Jackson fan... but TO ME he HAS played the BB game and strategically has had to play 2 steps ahead of others. Nobody has thrown him ANY wins and he’s won a lot. He’s mostly kept calm doesn’t let emotions get in the way of his game. The Tommy episode was played upon overhearing how Tommy was playing up to Cliff and Nicole... though I didn’t like seeing Tommy crying, I was fascinated how Jackson was able to turn the tables and convince Cliff that HE was telling the truth and not Tommy. I had to remind myself that Tommy is also an actor/showman... this is what he does for a living and he IS very good!
To ME (and only me) Jackson actually played the best strategic BB game this season. But, this is a social game... It all depends on how many jurors play the game with bitterness or how many play with respect for strategy and just plan old being out played. This IS when having ACTUAL BB FANS as BB players in the house is important! We’ll find out soon enough!
YES YES AND A BIGGER YES. Jackson looks good because the others were horrible. I have loved past BB. Long past...maybe 6-7-and 8ish Big brothers. Where expect the unexpected really happened..and there were at least half that did play the game. The cast now wants followers on social media so they vote the same and just stick together. Boring. I hope Nicole wins. Jackson keeps talking about his mom...maybe to influence his audience, but I am not buying. If I was his mother....OMG.
Nicole just admitted shes not perfect thats probably the most honest shes ever been this season except for the time she admitted that shes evil of course!
I know monty but she admitted that shes evil and she did lock her parents in the basement michie is playing the game a little dirty but its bb i can respect that and yes jackson is immature and im not condoning his behavior but hes not even manipulating the situation for afp and for the most part isn't wishy washy
Sorry, moleman. I deleted that because I said black heart and not 'cold' heart. Here's my original comment:
There's no need for a veto meeting today. The LIVE eviction isn't until Thursday night and it's a foregone conclusion that Jackson is the only vote.
Nicole is immature and black hearted??? LOL (meant to say cold hearted) How about how immature Jackson is? I mean...
Taran's morning update here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0l15m9xT9Q
Jackson/Michie knows not to play for AFP because he correctly guessed that he wasn't liked during the Chicken Coup Comp! Not even a consideration here.
I don’t see Nicole as black hearted/evil or immature. I personally like her, but to me she waited TOO long into the game to start playing and when she did start winning... it was mostly because others threw it (like I said prior Cliff and Holly) to her making it possible for her to win. Her family should be extremely proud of the young woman she is! If I were young, she IS the type of loyal friend I would want!
Heck, if ALL BB winners had to be mature in order to win, there wouldn’t be very many! Josh Martinez definitely comes to mind! Most BB players are immature to begin with....
Again I really like Nicole... I just wish she would have gotten active sooner and I would feel better IF SHE had been responsible for all her own wins.
She just told cliff she would take holly i think thats a bad move because the jury is not bitter towards holly she will have the 6 shooters and kat should be an easy win for holly if nicole was a really good player she would take michie and hope for a bitter jury i really dont get whats so special about nicole she is an average player who is evil. Lol
Nicole loves and adores her family, so I can't imagine her locking her parents in the basement...unless she was a little kid, or the family was all goofing around.
As far as Nicole being an "evil" person. good grief. BB fans can choose to like her, or not. Just like fans choose to like, or not, any other HG in the game. But that does NOT mean a word she used, while she's trying to figure out how to get further in this game, equates to her actually being someone awful or evil.
There are far more evil things in this world than little ol' waif-like Nicole... who's afraid of bugs and birds. @@
Its okay if you don't respect or want Jackson to win. He was perfect for the Island Show. I want Nicole to win. I actually hope she wins both the game and AFP. I wish it was Tommy in the house and this would be totally different. Holly and Jackson can ride off to the Island even if they are too late. It IS where they both belonged.
If you think Nicole is evil you must think Jackson is the devil incarnate. I mean Nicole said she was evil because she was plotting a way to get Holly out of the game while telling her and Jackson that everything was still according to plan. Not even counting Jackson’s game play/cheating he has been a horrible person to almost every one in that house at some point.
Nicole was also never picked to play in the veto until just recently, so I’m not sure why that should be held against her. She won the HOH during double eviction without anyone giving it to her. Cliff wasn’t anywhere close to being finished with his puzzle so him fumbling around with a piece is not him throwing the comp to her. Tommy was the closest to winning next to her.
Holly threw the HOH to her the other night and everyone is giving her grief for crying when she didn’t actually win the comp. I thought she was crying because that guaranteed her spot in final 3, not because she “won” HOH. Nicole is not my favorite player, but I would much rather see her win than Jackson.
She admitted to being evil because she felt guilty about trying to evict holly when lying to her and telling her no funny business but that was cruel what she did to holly. I think she was a teenager when she locked her parents in the basement but i can't be sure she definitely has a black heart and defends her plotting as game moves i really don't get whats so special about her is it because she dosen't talk about houseguests behind their backs and dosen't get personal with houseguests? To me thats not anything special she just looks better than the other houseguests because they are worse but i can't root for nicole i see through her act and her gameplay is nothing special as well. Kemi for afp!
If I missed anyone say it up ^ there, forgive me. Did you see where Jackson screamed from the storage room? He dropped and busted a watermelon, LOL :)))
Judi Sweeney 4:14pm - I couldn’t agree with you more. A perfect summation of the season and players. It’s BB....lying and playing up for sympathy is all part of the game. Your personality and morals should not be decided by how you play the game.
Too bad that Nicole is so evil.....lol! I’m kinda at a loss for words on that one.
Agree Judi and Bizaro. The jury vote is anyone's guess at this point given bitter juries. Will Jackson get Paul'd in the end? I don't know, but it's a possibility. Although I think Holly is the least deserving between her, Jackson and Nicole, I can see her winning it with a bitter jury and that would suck. just me though, LOL
Monty, Apparently Jackson had several watermelons that were bad, and then the dropped one. I cracked up over the agonizing loss of Golem's "precious"... D)))
Moleman, No convincing is required. You really are allowed to dislike Nicole for whatever reason(s) you choose. It's the way the show goes for fans.. year after year.
Thank you sharon i appriciate that we are not always going to agree on favorites but i do appreciate good gameplay and i would like to see the best player win
Lol i say anybody but Nicole because she didn't start playing till September and everyone else started playing in june...porshe even started playing in August lol
LOL, I did it again. Deleted because I misspelled something, hahaha. I should just leave my posts as they are because I always read ones that have things like that and don't care.
Original -
Same here, but we all have different opinions about what best game play is. I for one loved Paul at the end of S18, and thought he deserved to win against Nicole... I also thought he should have beat Josh in S19, I didn't like the game he played, but I understood the jury both times when they said different.
I guess I just don't take into consideration who's the nicest person, who's the most moral person, who's evil or who's a nice person because BB isn't about that. Jackson made the biggest, ballsiest move this entire season and deserves all the kudos for it. Game changing and it was brilliant. Doesn't mean that he's a shoo-in in for the win.
I'll honestly be excited for any of them to win, but for me personally, Holly does NOT deserve it over Jackson, with all of his personality flaws, or Nicole who was outcast and didn't have a chance to play until later in the game. She managed to survive and that's as impressive as Jackson's path.
My opinion
ANYBODYBUTHOLLY
----------------- Nicole played all summer, and you can say she started in September, but that isn't really the truth. She always had a better read on everyone early on but Bella made a point to out her. She was an outcast and treated horribly, even by people she had faith in (ahem - Jess) but she kept fighting on. Her fatal flaw is trusting people too much (ahem - Jackson thought he finally found people he could trust).
The ones who locked her out of the HOH are ALL sitting in the jury now except for Holly and Jackson. She had a hand in all of their evictions. As was said previously up there, she wasn't even picked to play veto until recently, and she was close in HOH comps before this burst at the end. She always had a pulse on the house just from her intuition and reading people unlike Holly who had Kat feeding her information. What has Holly done since Kat left? I think Holly's a great gal, I hope she gets far away for Jackson after this is over, but I don't think she's a great BB player. just me though
Anyone who wins deserves it but for me I'm hoping ANYBODYBUTHOLLY
Monty, BB isn't a game I'd ever want to play...much to hard on the ego, emotions, and heart. For one, I appreciate that you tend to be a voice of reason, and want you to know that there have been times when you've caused me to "see" from another viewpoint. It's not always easy to reevaluate an attitude that's been developed about a HG that just plain seems to rub ya the wrong way...for whatever reason. .
Holly won hoh and evicted nick she kept Christie to be a pawn for 2 weeks she was almost evicted and was saved by her showmance and has an opportunity to stab jackson on the back and beat Nicole for the win! Lol
What really turned me against Nicole was when she actually though that cliff was going to nominate her in addition to her flip flopping her vote 30 times every Wednesday night and the fact that shes evil was enough to turn me against her but i do hate her less this week than last!
Monty, we all look at Paul differently. In almost every season I don’t take into consideration who’s the nicest, who’s the most moral or who is the most evil either.
To me Paul crossed over the beyond bully/mean line by HIS encouraging and using OTHERS to do his bully/meanness actions. I would have respected Paul more if HE hadn’t used OTHERS to harass/bully other houseguests! It took me back mentally, to working at schools where this type of sideline bullying would sadly end with other teenagers in the hospital! Thus, every other teen involved ended up in the back of a patrol car... EXCEPT the original (Paul type) Bully walked away unscathed and smiling. To me it glamorizes this type of DISGUSTING behavior. Do your own bullying and harassing! Josh Martinez did all of Paul’s dirty work... and yet it was Josh who beat Paul in the BB win. Even though Josh was the perpetrator of all those terrible actions, he owned it! Juries always surprise me!
For the amount of "fans" that still like Paul, I'd be curious how many actual HGs from either of his seasons bother to keep in touch with him. He was so bitter over coming in 2nd (both times) that I doubt he's even on speaking terms with Victor or Josh.
One thing Paul's actions did was let us see how easily people can be led into doing horrible things to each other. Even scarier is the amount of people who continue to admire Paul and his tactics. He was the personification of the kind of evil that continues to pervade this earth. Quite frankly, it's terrifying.
Judi, I think if Jackson doesn't own it with the jury, he loses hands down to either of them. Here lately he's been blaming his actions on Cliff and Nicole. I don't think the jury will respect that.
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Hi Jackie... I hope you're feeling better on you birthday. HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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Ready to see the big fight... where is everybody?
Hi Jackie and Monty.
Hi Jackie, Monty and all who follow!!
I am so looking forward to the loud conversations, BUT I’m delayed due to sports, currently 60 minutes is on.... boo!
Oh, Happy Birthday Jackie 🎈🎂🎁🎊
Happy Birthday Jackie. My tv screen sound keeps going on and off lol.
Hey all
Hi Jennifer.
Hi Glenn!
Hi Cheryl.
Hi everyone... we'll only get about five minutes of an all day fight @@
They should have just kept it a blindside, but Cliff and Nicole would have done it.
Geesh, *would have NEVER done it
Hi all!
I hope you are feeling better, Jackie!!
Happy Birthday!
Hey tbc
As it’s almost fall, I bought my wine assortments plus apple crisp and pumpkin bread
They need to show more filler to make the comp seem like it lasted longer
Hi TBC! I wish they would show more of of the argument.
Rock Starred is a good term for it
Cliff is an idiot
Hi Jackie. Hope you start feeling better, Jackie. Just take it easy. Thank you for giving us a place to talk.
Hi Monty, Glenn, Jennifer, tbc, and Cheryl.
True, Jackie. Apple crisp sounds great. I'm going to make one this week.
I have strawberry short cake and whipped cream
It’s time y’all! Finally on!!!
The thing that bothers me about Michie saying this, is he has no plans to honor Cliff if they make it to the F2.
At least Nicole knows what would happen.
Hi everyone! Happy Birthday Jackie! Waiting for it to come on here in KC. I think we may behind you all.
Hi Penny
Strawberry shortcake sounds great!
Hi Penny Hi Jenna!
YES!! Happy Birthday, Jackie!!!!
Penny, I know, I agree.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JACKIE
It’s on now!!
Cliff is blinded by the light
Hello Jackie !!! Happy Birthday !!! Hello everyone, show started late for me I was having a house meeting lol
They have a problem keeping any of them. He just doesn't see it. He doesn't understand the game.
Hi Jenna.
Hi Jon.
Lol, Jon, I hope it was better than theirs
He should have said Nicole remember his hinky vote lol
Tommy is going to get a chance at All Stars because of this business and because of Christie changing his game play
you are screwed cliff...but it's your own fault
Hi Penny! Totally agree with you about F2 with Cliff.
because it is a betrayal cliff..lol
Cliff's losing AFP here. Hell, I may switch my votes to Nicole.
Mickie is going to screw them over. Then it's off to a possible bitter jury.
She's such a good-hearted person.
Lies, deceit, deception lol
Hi folks.
Cliff is an idiot. You've just finished breaking your word to both Holly and Michie and you turn around and ask them to make you a promise? Why would you think their promise means anything when yours didn't?
Cliff has been the coulda shoulda woulda of the summer.
When the house gets the dvd's to watch how the person was evicted, do they have the DR included?
there is no way Mickie taking anyone but Holly SMH Cliff and Nicole made a 500,000 dollar mistake
Hi Jon. Hi Joe. I like Jackson saying he needs holy to throw the HOH as well.
But, the same could have happened by keeping Tommy, too. He's stronger than Holly.
Hey Glenn and anyone I missed
obviously veto is Key I think Mickie and Holly end up final 2 with Mickie winning
No they should flipping not talked so loud or make sure no one is sneaking around listening lol
Man, Holly was not happy.
You shouldn't have listened to your boyfriend
No Penny. They don't get any DRs. Just comps.
Holly should have stayed on
Love him or hate him, Michie deserves to win.
Thank you, Monty.
Nicole is a smart cookie!
Nicole can't promise Final 3 to anyone. Cliff making deals.
He is so blind. Cliff, you really think Jackson will honor that? WOW!
Agree tbc. What's the point in dropping in the Final 4? The HOH is worth more than the word of the 2 people who just broke their word to you. Not to mention, Nicole & Cliff are going to evict either you or Michie anyway. So what is the point in giving them the chance?
Cliff is delusional
Joe ..I think we love to hate him...but he does deserve the win if he makes final 2
I agree, Joe!!
Hi Nancy. Cliff and Jackson realized if their partner HOH could be bad for them.
I didn't like Michie at the beginning. I'm not sure I like him now. But when you line him up against the other 3, who has a better case to win? Nicole may be a sentimental choice, but she has not played anywhere near as good a game as Michie. Holly & Cliff both played well, but (wrong game) Michie Outplayed and Outwitted and should Outlast the other 3.
I do think this is the right Final 4, though.
He a dingas, but I agree he deserves the win if he makes final two because the way they just caved in to him and what not.
I do think it's interesting that all season, people were making fun of Cliff and Nicole; and look where they are now.
Here's the Jackson tears
Make me sick
Hi Glenn I think anyone who goes against Mickie is going to lose he is always 3 steps ahead
Maybe he has a heart?
Wow. I mean, wow. I would not have expected this from Michie.
well that look said alot
You’ve got your buzzard
I do think Nicole is smart but all of that showed later in the game
To be fair, it's not that surprising that Cliff and Nicole are still there. They were never the biggest threat.
Yep, he wants to bring the biggest threat to the F3. Nicole is smart, she wants Holly.
I stumbled across a spoiler today. Did they really already play the veto? I guess that makes sense with the busy schedule this week.
Very true, Jon. I just do not think any of those on the jury would have thought they'd beat them. I do feel sorry for Tommy, but he made his own bed.
Do you really want to know Jon?
Yes Joe they did play it already!
Hi everyone! I'm way late but read all your comments above and pretty much agree with the general consensus that Cliff is playing very poorly and that Michiee deserves to win based on gameplay. He did Tommy dirty, I don't think I could have done that, but I guess that's BB. If I were Holly I would not have dropped but it may work out for her anyway.
Oh my, Nicole! Put the pieces together and please be able to do something about it.
lol yes Joe but we can't talk about that here
Hollys look showed it should have been her HOH instead.
Has he ever won anything? Cliff?? LOL
the things people do for money I obviously would be a bad player I cant do what they are doing just to win I would feel guilty and would not be able to enjoy the money
Yes Cliff won a hoh and made his big power move keeping both jack and Jackson lol
Thank you, Jackie. Hope you'll start feeling better soon.
See everyone Wed!!
Holly won legit HOH and the second one was a crap shoot. She's not the competitor that Nicole is in these final comps down the wire. jmo
Thanks Jackie. Enjoy the rest of your day!!
Thank you, Jon.
So Michee & Holly basically "volunteered" to go on the block by giving HOH to Nicole. Unusual gameplay!
Good show... Goodnight all..Jackie Happy Birthday again and keep resting and healing up.
Holly won legit HOH and the second one was a crap shoot. She's not the competitor that Nicole is in these final comps down the wire. jmo
Thanks Jackie. Enjoy the rest of your day!!
Everyone have a great week!
Thank you for the birthday wishes and for coming by!
Cheryl, I didn't say what the spoiler was. LOL. I kind of hate knowing, myself, as it removes any suspense.
G'Nite All!
Happy Birthday Jackie!...& Feel better!!
I agree Ed. I"m not sure whether that was supposed to be jury management or what. With Michie not in the HOH, seems like Holly could have taken the hit with the jury to improve the odds of she and Michie making Final 3.
Have a great night! See y’all Wednesday... get well soon Jackie!!
Happy Birthday, Jackie
She should have held on it’s not playing for 2,3, or 4th
Thanks Jackie. Have a great week everyone!
Popping in as the show begins her in Mountain time.
Happy Birthday Jackie!!
Please continue to rest up and get well soon.
Thanks Jackie!!! Hope you are feeling back up to par soon and have great rest of the night!!! Everyone be safe and have a great week!!!
BBAD is going to be "stimulating" tonight. LOL
Nicole to Cliff: "I don't think Tommy was targeting you."
Cliff: "Yeah, I think we got played."
No Cliff, not "we".... YOU got played!
Happy Birthday Jackie!!!
Nicole laying it on pretty thick trying to win americas vote well she dosen't have mine anymore nick was right to put her on the block week 3 she has an extremely cold heart and she has some growing up to do saying if she could switch places with cliff she would well theres the dr go self evict
Not sure where you get cold heart from. From what I have seen,she has been the only decent person in there for quite awhile. She will get my votes for afp
She is trying to seem loyal to america so that when cliff goes we will feel sorry for her for having to be alone with jackson and holly for a week
She still might get my vote im just frustrated with her right now
Agree Cheryl.
If anyone has a cold heart, it's Jackson, and tops it all off with his incredible self-righteousness. He's managed to take any of the good will he started to build and make it go poof.
IF he loses to either Nicole or Holly, I doubt he will be anything but the ultimate bitter and sulking jury member. But he can always go home and have his mommy slice him some watermelon and wipe his tears
I never comment but I have to say something. First of all, Jackie, you rock. Sending you good juju's. I'm Monnica and here's what I want to add.
BB was a waste of my summer. These people are horrible players. Jackson only looks good because the rest are so bad. Lets see what the jury does. I would for Nicole for AFP. she's the ONLY one that started to put things together. She's very intuitive unlike Christy. Nicole also said that she has a dark side. Jackson IS dark and all of his crying is all for show. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He's fake and shouldn't win. None of them should really. Nicole's mistake is going against her gut and listening to Cliff who has played a terrible game. He floated his way to this point and trusted the liar couple. Holly is as selfish as Jackson. He will dump her in a few months. So good bye to Cliff who wanted this money so bad? Nope. He thinks shaking a person's hand is loyalty which does not exist in a game. Geez, for being a huge fan, he's learned nothing. I can't wait for Survivor.
Yes i agree with you that cliff is a bad player but out of the people left jackson is playing the best game which isn't really saying much but Nicole admitted that she is evil i mean i could tell anyways she is always working some angle and now she knows if cliff leaves she probably cant beat anybody else in f2 and she really wants afp and i don't like the way she is. Tugging on heartstrings and preaching loyalty to cliff when she knows that she is evil she admitted it to us and that raises up a red flag with me and i just don't know if i can give her my vote especially when she didn't even start playing till September and she has a black heart she may be an average player but i don't respect how she plays the game kemi for afp!
I still say we should all vote for David for AFP to show the producers that the fans do NOT appreciate the eviction of players before they have the chance to play AND that we are acutely aware of the racism that plagued this season (despite CBS' best efforts to cover it up).
Interesting that there's no Veto meeting today.
BB is dragging this puppy out. LOL
What IS BB game playing to me?:
I have watched BB from Season One... I have NEVER seen a BB WINNER who didn’t lie or use emotions OR didn’t PRETEND to be a caring/sympathetic friend in order to PLAY the BB GAME and WIN! Lying has always been part of the game! Everyone in this BB season has lied/mislead or omitted the truth (which is a form of lying). So, someone lying isn’t a BB winning or losing factor for me.
I disliked Paul when he played because he used others (encouraged) to be bullies and down right In your face MEAN to others (pots and pan banging too). That’s where he lost me in BB. As far as game playing and strategizing, Paul was great!
I’m not letting (judging) what people did in bed (or with who or with how many) guide my opinions... their going to have to answer to their family/friends & search within when they get back to the real world... who am I to judge and cast that stone!?!
I love Nicole and she’s very intuitive but she actually started playing the game late. A couple of the competitions she ONLY won, because OTHERS threw them to her (Cliff and Holly, etc.). So, how many DID she actually win on her own?! I like Cliff but he really didn’t play a good BB game as far as I’m concerned. But it’s good to see an older gentleman get this far!
I’ve never been a big Jackson fan... but TO ME he HAS played the BB game and strategically has had to play 2 steps ahead of others. Nobody has thrown him ANY wins and he’s won a lot. He’s mostly kept calm doesn’t let emotions get in the way of his game. The Tommy episode was played upon overhearing how Tommy was playing up to Cliff and Nicole... though I didn’t like seeing Tommy crying, I was fascinated how Jackson was able to turn the tables and convince Cliff that HE was telling the truth and not Tommy. I had to remind myself that Tommy is also an actor/showman... this is what he does for a living and he IS very good!
To ME (and only me) Jackson actually played the best strategic BB game this season. But, this is a social game... It all depends on how many jurors play the game with bitterness or how many play with respect for strategy and just plan old being out played. This IS when having ACTUAL BB FANS as BB players in the house is important! We’ll find out soon enough!
YES YES AND A BIGGER YES. Jackson looks good because the others were horrible.
I have loved past BB. Long past...maybe 6-7-and 8ish Big brothers. Where expect the unexpected really happened..and there were at least half that did play the game. The cast now wants followers on social media so they vote the same and just stick together. Boring.
I hope Nicole wins. Jackson keeps talking about his mom...maybe to influence his audience, but I am not buying. If I was his mother....OMG.
Yep jackson is the best player by default but i can't root for nicole too wishy washy especially every Wednesday night
Nicole just admitted shes not perfect thats probably the most honest shes ever been this season except for the time she admitted that shes evil of course!
I know monty but she admitted that shes evil and she did lock her parents in the basement michie is playing the game a little dirty but its bb i can respect that and yes jackson is immature and im not condoning his behavior but hes not even manipulating the situation for afp and for the most part isn't wishy washy
Sorry, moleman. I deleted that because I said black heart and not 'cold' heart. Here's my original comment:
There's no need for a veto meeting today. The LIVE eviction isn't until Thursday night and it's a foregone conclusion that Jackson is the only vote.
Nicole is immature and black hearted??? LOL (meant to say cold hearted)
How about how immature Jackson is? I mean...
Taran's morning update here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0l15m9xT9Q
Jackson/Michie knows not to play for AFP because he correctly guessed that he wasn't liked during the Chicken Coup Comp! Not even a consideration here.
I don’t see Nicole as black hearted/evil or immature. I personally like her, but to me she waited TOO long into the game to start playing and when she did start winning... it was mostly because others threw it (like I said prior Cliff and Holly) to her making it possible for her to win. Her family should be extremely proud of the young woman she is! If I were young, she IS the type of loyal friend I would want!
Heck, if ALL BB winners had to be mature in order to win, there wouldn’t be very many! Josh Martinez definitely comes to mind! Most BB players are immature to begin with....
Again I really like Nicole... I just wish she would have gotten active sooner and I would feel better IF SHE had been responsible for all her own wins.
She just told cliff she would take holly i think thats a bad move because the jury is not bitter towards holly she will have the 6 shooters and kat should be an easy win for holly if nicole was a really good player she would take michie and hope for a bitter jury i really dont get whats so special about nicole she is an average player who is evil. Lol
And she didnt start playing till September
ok - This whole "locked the parents in the basement"...? How old was she? Was it a prank?
Nicole loves and adores her family, so I can't imagine her locking her parents in the basement...unless she was a little kid, or the family was all goofing around.
As far as Nicole being an "evil" person. good grief. BB fans can choose to like her, or not. Just like fans choose to like, or not, any other HG in the game. But that does NOT mean a word she used, while she's trying to figure out how to get further in this game, equates to her actually being someone awful or evil.
There are far more evil things in this world than little ol' waif-like Nicole... who's afraid of bugs and birds. @@
Its okay if you don't respect or want Jackson to win. He was perfect for the Island Show.
I want Nicole to win. I actually hope she wins both the game and AFP. I wish it was Tommy in the house and this would be totally different. Holly and Jackson can ride off to the Island even if they are too late. It IS where they both belonged.
If you think Nicole is evil you must think Jackson is the devil incarnate. I mean Nicole said she was evil because she was plotting a way to get Holly out of the game while telling her and Jackson that everything was still according to plan. Not even counting Jackson’s game play/cheating he has been a horrible person to almost every one in that house at some point.
Nicole was also never picked to play in the veto until just recently, so I’m not sure why that should be held against her. She won the HOH during double eviction without anyone giving it to her. Cliff wasn’t anywhere close to being finished with his puzzle so him fumbling around with a piece is not him throwing the comp to her. Tommy was the closest to winning next to her.
Holly threw the HOH to her the other night and everyone is giving her grief for crying when she didn’t actually win the comp. I thought she was crying because that guaranteed her spot in final 3, not because she “won” HOH. Nicole is not my favorite player, but I would much rather see her win than Jackson.
Well Anonymous... as my husband always says “AND... that’s why they play the game.”
Thanks Jackie for giving us all a forum to express the who’s, what’s and why’s of Big Brother!!! Hope you’re feeling better!
She admitted to being evil because she felt guilty about trying to evict holly when lying to her and telling her no funny business but that was cruel what she did to holly. I think she was a teenager when she locked her parents in the basement but i can't be sure she definitely has a black heart and defends her plotting as game moves i really don't get whats so special about her is it because she dosen't talk about houseguests behind their backs and dosen't get personal with houseguests? To me thats not anything special she just looks better than the other houseguests because they are worse but i can't root for nicole i see through her act and her gameplay is nothing special as well. Kemi for afp!
If I missed anyone say it up ^ there, forgive me. Did you see where Jackson screamed from the storage room? He dropped and busted a watermelon, LOL :)))
Judi Sweeney 4:14pm -
I couldn’t agree with you more. A perfect summation of the season and players. It’s BB....lying and playing up for sympathy is all part of the game. Your personality and morals should not be decided by how you play the game.
Too bad that Nicole is so evil.....lol! I’m kinda at a loss for words on that one.
Agree Judi and Bizaro. The jury vote is anyone's guess at this point given bitter juries. Will Jackson get Paul'd in the end? I don't know, but it's a possibility. Although I think Holly is the least deserving between her, Jackson and Nicole, I can see her winning it with a bitter jury and that would suck. just me though, LOL
Monty,
Apparently Jackson had several watermelons that were bad, and then the dropped one.
I cracked up over the agonizing loss of Golem's "precious"... D)))
Moleman,
No convincing is required. You really are allowed to dislike Nicole for whatever reason(s) you choose. It's the way the show goes for fans.. year after year.
Thank you sharon i appriciate that we are not always going to agree on favorites but i do appreciate good gameplay and i would like to see the best player win
Lol i say anybody but Nicole because she didn't start playing till September and everyone else started playing in june...porshe even started playing in August lol
LOL, I did it again. Deleted because I misspelled something, hahaha. I should just leave my posts as they are because I always read ones that have things like that and don't care.
Original -
Same here, but we all have different opinions about what best game play is. I for one loved Paul at the end of S18, and thought he deserved to win against Nicole... I also thought he should have beat Josh in S19, I didn't like the game he played, but I understood the jury both times when they said different.
I guess I just don't take into consideration who's the nicest person, who's the most moral person, who's evil or who's a nice person because BB isn't about that. Jackson made the biggest, ballsiest move this entire season and deserves all the kudos for it. Game changing and it was brilliant. Doesn't mean that he's a shoo-in in for the win.
I'll honestly be excited for any of them to win, but for me personally, Holly does NOT deserve it over Jackson, with all of his personality flaws, or Nicole who was outcast and didn't have a chance to play until later in the game. She managed to survive and that's as impressive as Jackson's path.
My opinion
ANYBODYBUTHOLLY
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Nicole played all summer, and you can say she started in September, but that isn't really the truth. She always had a better read on everyone early on but Bella made a point to out her. She was an outcast and treated horribly, even by people she had faith in (ahem - Jess) but she kept fighting on. Her fatal flaw is trusting people too much (ahem - Jackson thought he finally found people he could trust).
The ones who locked her out of the HOH are ALL sitting in the jury now except for Holly and Jackson. She had a hand in all of their evictions. As was said previously up there, she wasn't even picked to play veto until recently, and she was close in HOH comps before this burst at the end. She always had a pulse on the house just from her intuition and reading people unlike Holly who had Kat feeding her information. What has Holly done since Kat left? I think Holly's a great gal, I hope she gets far away for Jackson after this is over, but I don't think she's a great BB player. just me though
Anyone who wins deserves it but for me I'm hoping ANYBODYBUTHOLLY
Monty,
BB isn't a game I'd ever want to play...much to hard on the ego, emotions, and heart. For one, I appreciate that you tend to be a voice of reason, and want you to know that there have been times when you've caused me to "see" from another viewpoint. It's not always easy to reevaluate an attitude that's been developed about a HG that just plain seems to rub ya the wrong way...for whatever reason.
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I totally agree with everything you said Monty......... especially #AnyBodyButHolly!
Monty- "What has Holly done since Kat left?” #ShowerStool
HAHAHAAA @ Bizarro
Holly won hoh and evicted nick she kept Christie to be a pawn for 2 weeks she was almost evicted and was saved by her showmance and has an opportunity to stab jackson on the back and beat Nicole for the win! Lol
What really turned me against Nicole was when she actually though that cliff was going to nominate her in addition to her flip flopping her vote 30 times every Wednesday night and the fact that shes evil was enough to turn me against her but i do hate her less this week than last!
Monty, we all look at Paul differently. In almost every season I don’t take into consideration who’s the nicest, who’s the most moral or who is the most evil either.
To me Paul crossed over the beyond bully/mean line by HIS encouraging and using OTHERS to do his bully/meanness actions. I would have respected Paul more if HE hadn’t used OTHERS to harass/bully other houseguests! It took me back mentally, to working at schools where this type of sideline bullying would sadly end with other teenagers in the hospital! Thus, every other teen involved ended up in the back of a patrol car... EXCEPT the original (Paul type) Bully walked away unscathed and smiling. To me it glamorizes this type of DISGUSTING behavior. Do your own bullying and harassing! Josh Martinez did all of Paul’s dirty work... and yet it was Josh who beat Paul in the BB win. Even though Josh was the perpetrator of all those terrible actions, he owned it! Juries always surprise me!
Agree Judi. I despise Paul and his arrogance & actions that season. *shudder*
For the amount of "fans" that still like Paul, I'd be curious how many actual HGs from either of his seasons bother to keep in touch with him. He was so bitter over coming in 2nd (both times) that I doubt he's even on speaking terms with Victor or Josh.
One thing Paul's actions did was let us see how easily people can be led into doing horrible things to each other. Even scarier is the amount of people who continue to admire Paul and his tactics. He was the personification of the kind of evil that continues to pervade this earth. Quite frankly, it's terrifying.
LOL @ Bizaro... true! ^5
Judi, I think if Jackson doesn't own it with the jury, he loses hands down to either of them. Here lately he's been blaming his actions on Cliff and Nicole. I don't think the jury will respect that.
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